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Jordan-W204-C320Sport

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70 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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The initial message was deleted from this topic on 16 June 2020 at 13:27

Centurion07

10,395 posts

270 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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Gearbox will work with NO oil. Not for very long, mind.

Jordan-W204-C320Sport

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9 posts

70 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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He said something about valves would open or close as there wouldnt be enough pressure i think hes just trying to come up with excuses to blame mechanic as car no has a swirl flap motor issue and is constantly in limp mode dropping it upto dealer in Tuesday to sort car

stevemcs

9,950 posts

116 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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Mercs vary between 5 and 10 litres depending on if the torque converter can be drained. 2.5 litres in a gearbox seems very low and i'd agree with the trader, with that amount of oil i'd be surprised if it moved.

carlingofblack

363 posts

187 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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Automatic transmission oil has both lubricating and cooling properties. If you’ve been driving the car normally up to the point of gear oil change with no undue problems then I would guess there was more than 2 litres in there.
Otherwise, it would throw a fault code or trigger limp home mode at the very least.

I think you should take it to a specialist Transmission shop and have them pin point the leak then go from there regarding any follow up from the dealership. They’ll take no notice of you saying there must be a leak somewhere. However if you can state the precise failure and location of the leak by a bona fide transmission specialist, you are better armed for a hopefully helpful response.
Regarding any limp home caused by swirl flaps or anything else, you’ll need the fault codes reading. They’ll tell you which areas of the car are causing the errors. Good luck.

Edited by carlingofblack on Sunday 14th June 16:09

littleredrooster

6,149 posts

219 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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Centurion07 said:
Gearbox will work with NO oil. Not for very long, mind.
Autobox on this one...

itcaptainslow

4,505 posts

159 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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If the box capacity is say 8 litres, depending on the size of the torque converter you may only drain half of that, giving the false impression of low level.

Did this mechanic say where this leak was, or give an idea at least?

A1VDY

3,575 posts

150 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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8.litre capacity, likely up to 3 litres in the converter. With 2.5litres drained you'll probably have over 5litres of oil. It'll probably work fine but as oil is used for cooling as well as lube you wouldn't want to drive too far..

paintman

7,852 posts

213 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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I too would be surprised if an auto box requiring 8 litres would work at all with just 2.5 litres in it.
As has been said, the torque converter will retain a large quantity of fluid which can't be drained without taking the torque converter off - and that requires the gearbox separating from the engine.

As an example, the ZF4HP22 on the RRC takes 9.1 litres total from dry. BUT that is for a completely empty gearbox and torque converter & the workshop manual contains a warning that for servicing fluid must only be added to the marked level on the dipstick.
IIRC the last time I did a filter & fluid change on mine I got something in the order of 5 litres out. (Which according to Ashcroft's is about right)
There is also likely to be some remaining in the box & in the gearbox oil cooler (if fitted). Replaced seals & gaskets on mine last year & there was a surprising quantity still in it - just glad I'd put big cardboard sheets down to protect the floor!

Edited by paintman on Sunday 14th June 23:05

stevemcs

9,950 posts

116 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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You would normally get 5 litres out unless there is a drain on the torque converter in which case it’s around 9 litres

paintman

7,852 posts

213 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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stevemcs said:
You would normally get 5 litres out unless there is a drain on the torque converter in which case it’s around 9 litres
Not on the LR RRC/P38/Disco ZF boxes. Comes as a big surprise when someone takes one off for the first time & lays it down flat!

Jordan-W204-C320Sport

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70 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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He took 2 and a half litres out and put 8 in.... dealer now worried he has overfilled it and may have caused the swirl flap issue due to too much oil pressure. Im dropping car back to dealer tomorrow to investigate. Mechanic been at the business 30 years surely he couldnt have made this mistake!!! Im hoping dealer says warranty wont cover it now as its the mechanics mishap that may have caused this.

Jordan-W204-C320Sport

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9 posts

70 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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He said bolt on gearbox coolant tray is weaping oil and needs replaced that it would explain low oil level.