Golf R consumed 2 Litres of oil on a track day.
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Hi All,
Looking for some advice as to what could be going on here. I bought a 2014 Golf R DSG with 60k miles about 2 months ago, 2 weeks ago I took it on a track day and did all the usual checks beforehand such as tightening the lug nuts and checking fluids. All of which were topped up to the maximum.
About a week had passed after the track day when I noticed the engine was sounding a little rough, upon checking the dipstick the oil level was barely even registering on the dipstick! Had to top up 2L to get it back to the maximum marker.
Obviously this has me slightly worried... I was pushing the car hard... but no harder than I pushed my Stage 1 Cooper S which never used a drop of oil.
Where has my oil gone?!
Looking for some advice as to what could be going on here. I bought a 2014 Golf R DSG with 60k miles about 2 months ago, 2 weeks ago I took it on a track day and did all the usual checks beforehand such as tightening the lug nuts and checking fluids. All of which were topped up to the maximum.
About a week had passed after the track day when I noticed the engine was sounding a little rough, upon checking the dipstick the oil level was barely even registering on the dipstick! Had to top up 2L to get it back to the maximum marker.
Obviously this has me slightly worried... I was pushing the car hard... but no harder than I pushed my Stage 1 Cooper S which never used a drop of oil.
Where has my oil gone?!
More worrying is why did you not get an oil pressure warning loosing 2L out of 5.7L!
Don’t know the answer but read here that some VW engines use quite a bit of oil under normal conditions so one assumes on a track day more so. Perhaps worth to check fluid levels, etc after track days.
Don’t know the answer but read here that some VW engines use quite a bit of oil under normal conditions so one assumes on a track day more so. Perhaps worth to check fluid levels, etc after track days.
CrgT16 said:
More worrying is why did you not get an oil pressure warning loosing 2L out of 5.7L!
Don’t know the answer but read here that some VW engines use quite a bit of oil under normal conditions so one assumes on a track day more so. Perhaps worth to check fluid levels, etc after track days.
There was no warning on the dash whatsoever! That’s what I find strange... Don’t know the answer but read here that some VW engines use quite a bit of oil under normal conditions so one assumes on a track day more so. Perhaps worth to check fluid levels, etc after track days.
It's possible that it just got whipped up and blown out the breather.
Next time you're on track, make sure you monitor all fluid levels, tyre pressures, temperatures, wear and brake/disc wear after every session. It's especially important for a car you aren't familiar with on track, but a good habit to get into in any case.
Next time you're on track, make sure you monitor all fluid levels, tyre pressures, temperatures, wear and brake/disc wear after every session. It's especially important for a car you aren't familiar with on track, but a good habit to get into in any case.
rev-erend said:
Sounds very worrying..
Could be the turbo bearings are carbonated and not allowing the oil past, you might find the missing oil is in the inter cooler (assumg rge R has one..)
Did you let the engine tick over in the paddock after the hot runs, if not this can cause issues.
I always did a cool down lap and let it idle for a minute once back in the paddocks. Could be the turbo bearings are carbonated and not allowing the oil past, you might find the missing oil is in the inter cooler (assumg rge R has one..)
Did you let the engine tick over in the paddock after the hot runs, if not this can cause issues.
I have a manufacturer’s warranty.
GreenV8S said:
A minute isn't long to cool down a hot turbo. Does it have any sort of run-on cooling or lube system?
I’m pretty sure the turbo has something along those lines.Still just totally perplexed as to where it’s gone! 2L in a Month is “acceptable”. However 2L in 2h30 of track time is crazy...
CJ1 said:
However 2L in 2h30 of track time is crazy...
I don't see that consumption rate as completely unreasonable. It's quite normal for oil consumption to increase on track. That's 2.5 hours of much higher revs and load than normal and with cornering and braking loads thrown in. The oil will be spending more time than normal stuck in the corners of the heads and sloshing around, so more of it will get smacked by the crank along the way and turned into oil mist, which the increased blow-bye will push out the breather. GreenV8S said:
CJ1 said:
However 2L in 2h30 of track time is crazy...
I don't see that consumption rate as completely unreasonable. It's quite normal for oil consumption to increase on track. That's 2.5 hours of much higher revs and load than normal and with cornering and braking loads thrown in. The oil will be spending more time than normal stuck in the corners of the heads and sloshing around, so more of it will get smacked by the crank along the way and turned into oil mist, which the increased blow-bye will push out the breather. Golf R have an issue where under hard braking oil can end up going up the PCV and into the intake, you get big plumes of smoke.
But that wouldn't be this
I suspect the car was already very low on oil, you say you checked but maybe you forgot.
I also suspect damage has been done.
Good luck.
xjay1337 said:
Never had that on any of my cars that I've tracked neither have my friends.
Golf R have an issue where under hard braking oil can end up going up the PCV and into the intake, you get big plumes of smoke.
But that wouldn't be this
I suspect the car was already very low on oil, you say you checked but maybe you forgot.
I also suspect damage has been done.
Good luck.
It wasn’t low on oil, The day before it had a health check at VW. It was serviced by them when I picked the car up (only 2 months ago). I am hoping no damage has been done, engine is running smooth and idles fine now. Only slight concern is I have another track day booked for the end of the month, might take a barrel of oil with me? Golf R have an issue where under hard braking oil can end up going up the PCV and into the intake, you get big plumes of smoke.
But that wouldn't be this
I suspect the car was already very low on oil, you say you checked but maybe you forgot.
I also suspect damage has been done.
Good luck.
CJ1 said:
xjay1337 said:
Never had that on any of my cars that I've tracked neither have my friends.
Golf R have an issue where under hard braking oil can end up going up the PCV and into the intake, you get big plumes of smoke.
But that wouldn't be this
I suspect the car was already very low on oil, you say you checked but maybe you forgot.
I also suspect damage has been done.
Good luck.
It wasn’t low on oil, The day before it had a health check at VW. It was serviced by them when I picked the car up (only 2 months ago). I am hoping no damage has been done, engine is running smooth and idles fine now. Only slight concern is I have another track day booked for the end of the month, might take a barrel of oil with me? Golf R have an issue where under hard braking oil can end up going up the PCV and into the intake, you get big plumes of smoke.
But that wouldn't be this
I suspect the car was already very low on oil, you say you checked but maybe you forgot.
I also suspect damage has been done.
Good luck.
It's not uncommon for the cars to burn a bit of oil and usually it's around 0.5L per 1000mi but it can be more or less.
Have you checked for evidence of an oil leak? Given the amount of oil, I expect that would be obvious for a long time afterwards.
If it isn't leaking, it's going through the engine. Either through the PCV system or past the rings. I suggest you check the inside of the air intake downstream of the PCV to see whether it's had a couple of liters of oil through it recently. That would confirm that it's a crank case ventilation issue.
If it isn't leaking, it's going through the engine. Either through the PCV system or past the rings. I suggest you check the inside of the air intake downstream of the PCV to see whether it's had a couple of liters of oil through it recently. That would confirm that it's a crank case ventilation issue.
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