Header tube length
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leigh1050

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Tuesday 12th January 2021
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I'm replacing the headers on my car. The new ones are slightly shorter than the old ones .
Will this make a difference?
The tubes on the new headers are the the same length, I know that having same length tubes is important but is being shorter than the ones they are replacing a factor in the engine performance?

SlimJim16v

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Tuesday 12th January 2021
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E-bmw

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175 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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If the longer ones were too long, the shorter ones will be better, if the longer ones were just right the shorter ones will be too short, if the longer ones were too short the shorter ones will be even worse, hope that helps.

gazza285

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231 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Depends.

leigh1050

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Wednesday 13th January 2021
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SlimJim16v said:
Not helpful !

leigh1050

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Wednesday 13th January 2021
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E-bmw said:
If the longer ones were too long, the shorter ones will be better, if the longer ones were just right the shorter ones will be too short, if the longer ones were too short the shorter ones will be even worse, hope that helps.
No!

leigh1050

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Wednesday 13th January 2021
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gazza285 said:
Depends.
On what?

SturdyHSV

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Wednesday 13th January 2021
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There's no optimal length, different lengths will have a different amount of impact over a different area of the power curve.

Longer is typically better for low down torque, shorter better for higher rpm (higher as in over 6,000 say).

As I fortunately know what you had and what you've gone to, I'd be happy to suggest it'll make the square root of fk all noticeable difference and I wouldn't get hung up on it. Them being all equal length is also better than not, but again, will make no noticeable difference, as far as I recall you aren't chasing every single last fraction of a horsepower.

There's an interesting Engine Masters video whereby they quite literally hammered the st out of a new set of headers and it made fk all difference to the figures back to back on an engine dyno hehe

Have a look at the differences between header primary diameter, 1 5/8", 1 3/4", 1 7/8" etc., whether stepped headers are better etc. you'll find thousands of people arguing back and forth and providing their scientific explanations why each one is better depending on power level and what you're after etc.

By many accounts the collector length has far more impact, some say the tri-y style of header is better, it goes on and on.

Unlike the wife you probably won't notice a few inches difference in length basically thumbup

Edited by SturdyHSV on Wednesday 13th January 10:39

leigh1050

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Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Thanks James!
I was a bit concerned that I might have to get it remapped , the cost wasn't a worry but getting it to Carl and getting home and back was.
Also I didn't want to be driving around if the headers were going to make the engine run lean.It doesn't now if anything it's a bit rich.

tapkaJohnD

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Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Most induction inlets are far too short.

Evoluzione

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Wednesday 13th January 2021
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leigh1050 said:
I was a bit concerned that I might have to get it remapped , the cost wasn't a worry but getting it to Carl and getting home and back was.
Also I didn't want to be driving around if the headers were going to make the engine run lean.It doesn't now if anything it's a bit rich.
If you'd been bothered to write that in your first post you would have got a more accurate reply in the first place.

fiju

704 posts

86 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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What's a header?

gazza285

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Wednesday 13th January 2021
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fiju said:
What's a header?
SlimJim16v said:

fiju

704 posts

86 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Where do you stick the tubes on that?

stevesingo

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245 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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tapkaJohnD said:


Most induction inlets are far too short.
Depends on which harmonic you are utilising.

Depends, is the standard answer.

leigh1050

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Thursday 14th January 2021
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fiju said:
What's a header?

These are headers!

SturdyHSV

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190 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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leigh1050 said:
fiju said:
What's a header?

These are headers!
<CrocodileDundee>
Those aren't headers...



THESE are headers hehe

</CrocodileDundee>

Headers / extractors / exhaust manifolds, whatever...

CrutyRammers

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221 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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tapkaJohnD said:


Most induction inlets are far too short.
Yeah, but the OP is on about exhausts, I think.
OT but Dave Walker from Emerald has a great article online about inlet header lengths which they dyno tested - and as above, the longer they got, the better they got, even up to quite ridiculous lengths.

fiju

704 posts

86 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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Oh you mean manifolds. Why didn't you say so?

SturdyHSV

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Thursday 14th January 2021
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fiju said:
Oh you mean manifolds. Why didn't you say so?
When I see a complicated word I don't understand I Google it thumbup