Charade GTTi engine
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Just found out about this little engine and it seems pretty good:
It's just a 993cc 3-pot, but well made and with 100 bhp in standard trim, and with very few cheap mods to free up the flow and let the turbo breath you can get that up to 130. Apparently with some more work you can get to 200, but I doubt I'd want to drive a car with that much pwoer from so little with that much turbo...
Anyways, I wondered if any of the PH crew have any experience with the engine?
How easy is it to transplant? I want to make a very light weight car but with a few horses, ok torque, norrow wheels and soft(ish) suspension. I'd love to get hold of an old Ginetta G4 or Westfield XI and stick one of these in there
Or would a Suzuki GSX600/1200 bike engine be longer lasting and easier to use?
This is going on the long list of 'stuff I want to do' so will probably stay a pipe dream, but if they are cheap and easy to get, I may end up building a lo-cost (though from the new Haynes thing) with one of these in... uness I can get a Lexus V8 for less
It's just a 993cc 3-pot, but well made and with 100 bhp in standard trim, and with very few cheap mods to free up the flow and let the turbo breath you can get that up to 130. Apparently with some more work you can get to 200, but I doubt I'd want to drive a car with that much pwoer from so little with that much turbo...
Anyways, I wondered if any of the PH crew have any experience with the engine?
How easy is it to transplant? I want to make a very light weight car but with a few horses, ok torque, norrow wheels and soft(ish) suspension. I'd love to get hold of an old Ginetta G4 or Westfield XI and stick one of these in there
Or would a Suzuki GSX600/1200 bike engine be longer lasting and easier to use?
This is going on the long list of 'stuff I want to do' so will probably stay a pipe dream, but if they are cheap and easy to get, I may end up building a lo-cost (though from the new Haynes thing) with one of these in... uness I can get a Lexus V8 for less
I think one of the problems I may have is the packaging - not size, but getting a motor for a FWD car to run RWD with the engine in the front (in the G4/lo-cost location) I'm guessing there are no gearboxes out there to transaxle the power... unless I go down the Prosche 924 route and have the gearbox in the back
I could mid-mount it too, but then I'd be facing the same issues Lotus had with the K-series. Any idea if anybody has stuck on in the back of a car?? Maybe I should do some googling...
I could mid-mount it too, but then I'd be facing the same issues Lotus had with the K-series. Any idea if anybody has stuck on in the back of a car?? Maybe I should do some googling...
fwdracer said:
A few bods have transplanted these into Mini's. Due to the engine being short you use the end on gearbox too.
130bhp with a 5spd box - I should think it would make a Mini really motor! Interesting engine note too with 3 pots.
130bhp with a 5spd box - I should think it would make a Mini really motor! Interesting engine note too with 3 pots.
got any links???? sounds like and ace idea!
as for the RWD idea you would need to get an adaptor plate made up to suite the little engine to something like a type 9 gearbox. not sure if it would work but worth looking into! would be a cracking little engine to have in a light weight!
Chris.
chuntington101 said:
fwdracer said:
A few bods have transplanted these into Mini's. Due to the engine being short you use the end on gearbox too.
130bhp with a 5spd box - I should think it would make a Mini really motor! Interesting engine note too with 3 pots.
130bhp with a 5spd box - I should think it would make a Mini really motor! Interesting engine note too with 3 pots.
got any links???? sounds like and ace idea!
as for the RWD idea you would need to get an adaptor plate made up to suite the little engine to something like a type 9 gearbox. not sure if it would work but worth looking into! would be a cracking little engine to have in a light weight!
Chris.
I know - I can't see the engine weighing that much, so a little type 9 or similar gearbox with an adaptor would be good
Things I have found so far:
http://members.aol.com/Pocketrocket99
So it's a CB80 (CB70 in Japan (sounds wrong to me but more checking to follow)) engine
...
It looks like it has no knock sensor
Good ol' CamSkill have lots of bits for it:
http://camskill.co.uk/products.php?pl
A whole new engine block & internals for 2650 (short of turbo, manifolds and other ancillaries)!
Seems like a few of the bits aren't pennies, but they aren't that expensive either really!
I think you could build a whole brand new motor with high-rated parts ("race spec" stuff) for about 5k! Not bad!
I'm doing some digging for RWD 'boxes and adaptors, but I'm thinking there won't be much on the web for this...
Also looking on fleabay et al for cars with good motors and shot bodies...
ETA - there's one on PH for 1,700 with new tyres & MoT - I could even drive it back to my garage to strat ripping its guts out! - I may even keep the wheels for the final car
Wow, there's one on Auto Trader (around Leed's way I think) for 2.5k that says it's already got fully rebuilt 200bhp engine and less than 48k miles!
Edited by MTv Dave on Tuesday 13th February 13:27
fwdracer said:
Interesting engine note too with 3 pots.
Indeed.. I would describe it as a "Sawn off 911"
The resemblance is definitely there. At least this is how the 3 pot Smart engines sound, with a bit of 2CV thrown in for good measure. Unfortunately power output for these engines is closer to 2CV levels than 911 levels, but thats another matter.
P,
These engines used to be cheap and plentiful, unfortunately they are now quite rare and most Charade owners are hoarding them
They are good for 150bhp easily enough, standard gearbox is a bit of a weak link. 200bhp plus is available but requires some more serious modifications, problem is because they were cheap most people wound up the boost and blew them to pieces knowing another engine wasn't going to be expensive. Now they are quite rare and you pay more than I think it's worth these days. Even if you do find an engine it's likely to be pretty shagged out and finding parts isn't that easy anymore.
There are much more available and probably better choices now anyway.
any number of Kei car engines at about 660cc & turbo charged can be made to punch out 130bhp without a huge amount of trouble. Available in NA/Supercharged/Turbocharge and FWD/AWD/RWD/Mid mount RWD and so on. Not as powerful as a bike engine, but more torque.
Another option is to find the much newer Daihatsu rally engine as found in the Sirion/Storia/Boon X4, the slightly older version was a 761cc turbo engine, 120bhp stock, 200bhp in rally spec.
The newer Boon has a similar engine, but 931cc, also turbocharged and 130bhp
www.daihatsu.co.jp/showroom/lineup/boon/special/index_02.htm
Only problem is that it's AWD only, but other Toyota/Daihatsu gearboxes would probably fit, if you aren't going for a highly customised setup anyway.
They are good for 150bhp easily enough, standard gearbox is a bit of a weak link. 200bhp plus is available but requires some more serious modifications, problem is because they were cheap most people wound up the boost and blew them to pieces knowing another engine wasn't going to be expensive. Now they are quite rare and you pay more than I think it's worth these days. Even if you do find an engine it's likely to be pretty shagged out and finding parts isn't that easy anymore.
There are much more available and probably better choices now anyway.
any number of Kei car engines at about 660cc & turbo charged can be made to punch out 130bhp without a huge amount of trouble. Available in NA/Supercharged/Turbocharge and FWD/AWD/RWD/Mid mount RWD and so on. Not as powerful as a bike engine, but more torque.
Another option is to find the much newer Daihatsu rally engine as found in the Sirion/Storia/Boon X4, the slightly older version was a 761cc turbo engine, 120bhp stock, 200bhp in rally spec.
The newer Boon has a similar engine, but 931cc, also turbocharged and 130bhp
www.daihatsu.co.jp/showroom/lineup/boon/special/index_02.htm
Only problem is that it's AWD only, but other Toyota/Daihatsu gearboxes would probably fit, if you aren't going for a highly customised setup anyway.
That's a shame
Still, as you say there are newer ones out there these days, but I am acutely aware though that things like the Copen are pretty light but considered gutless.
I'm aiming for a wet curb mass of around 400-450kg for the bathtub on wheels so maybe it won't be as bad. Maybe some proper routing around for infomation on small capacity, blown Diahatsu engines is needed (unless you have more to hand?)
Still, as you say there are newer ones out there these days, but I am acutely aware though that things like the Copen are pretty light but considered gutless.
I'm aiming for a wet curb mass of around 400-450kg for the bathtub on wheels so maybe it won't be as bad. Maybe some proper routing around for infomation on small capacity, blown Diahatsu engines is needed (unless you have more to hand?)
what do you want to know?
A list of the more appropriate small engines from Daihatsu is:
CB70/80 (found in Charade GTti/GT-XX)
I3 993cc DOHC 12v turbo
77kW @ 6500 rpm
130Nm @ 3500 rpm
EF-JL (found in 1990i sh L200 Mira/Cuore TRXX)
I3 659cc SOHC 12v turbo
47kW @ 7500 rpm
92Nm @ 4000 rpm
EF-DET (updated EF-JL found in later models of Mira, Move, Naked, Max, Opti, Terios Kid etc)
I3 659cc DOHC 12v turbo
47kW @ 7500 rpm
107Nm at 3200 rpm
JB-JL (found in some later Miras TRXX)
I4 659cc DOHC 16v turbo
47kW @ 7500rpm
100Nm @ 4000rpm
JB-DET (Copen)
I4 659cc DOHC 16v turbo
47kW @ 6000rpm
110Nm @ 3200rpm
K3-VET (YRV Turbo)
I4 1.3L DOHC 16v Turbo
103kW @ 6400 rpm
177Nm @ 3200 rpm
???? (Storia x4)
I3 713cc DOHC 12v Turbo DVVT (daihatsu version of VVTi)
84kw @ 7200rpm
120Nm @ 4800rpm
KJ-VET (Boon x4)
I3 936cc
98kW @ 7200rpm
131Nm @ 3600rpm
The X4's are essentially rally homologation vehicles and so the engines are designed for a higher state of tune and so are capable of much more power with a couple of tweaks. The downside is they are also a bit rarer and will be harder to come by.
Also note the peak power and peak torque figures for the engines, this gives an idea for the power delivery, the latest engines with Variable vale timing would be more tractable and have better response throughout the rev range (most of these engines redline around 8000-9000rpm). Also consider that many of these cars are circa 700-800kg or more, the Copen is 830kg for example, so if you are aiming for something half the weight, so it should be pretty rapid, though you will probably need longer gear ratios to deal with the better power to weight, most of these cars are speed limited to 120km/h and have very low gearing as a result.
Suzuki also have a few offerings in the category.
K10A (Wagon R plus)
I4 1.0L DOHC, 16v turbo
74kW @ 6500 rpm
122Nm @ 3000 rpm
K6A (Wagon R plus, Kei)
I3 660cc DOHC 12v turbo
47kW @ 6500 rpm
106Nm @ 3500 rpm
(there is also a hi compression atmo version of this engine with VVT, putting out 40kW & 63Nm)
F5 (suzuki cappucino, alto RSX/RSR, AZ-1)
I3 550cc SOHC and DOHC versions 12v Turbo
power varies between versions, usually around 47kw and 72Nm.
(there is also an increased capacity 660 version of this engine called the F6A or B with a bit more torque.)
Subaru make an unusal little engine that is supercharged, though I think these days it has reverted to turbocharging.
EN07 (Vivio RXR)
I4 658cc DOHC 16v supercharged
48kw @ 6400rpm
88Nm at 4000rpm
Mitsubishi have some superb little units found in bizarrely named stuff like the Minica Dangan ZZ and Mitsubishi Toppo BJ. Some people consider these the best available with the 5 valves per cylinder and other hitech stuff, but there isn't a whole lot to seperate them as stock really, all are limited by the 47kW power limit.
3G83T (early 90s 3 cylinder)
I3 659cc DOHC 15V (yes FIVE valves per cylinder!)
47kW @ 7000rpm
96Nm @ 3500rpm
4A30T (later 90s onwards 4 cylinder)
I4 659cc DOHC 20V
47kw @ 7000rpm
97Nm @ 3500rpm
Also European companies have a few suspects, Smart for one in the fourtwo, and I think Fiat do a reasonable 1.4L Turbo as well.
Older engines that occaisionally crop up include the 1.2L SOHC turbo from the Honda City Turbo, and also the 936cc Supercharged and Turbocharged four cylinder found in the Nissan Micra/March Superturbo.
A list of the more appropriate small engines from Daihatsu is:
CB70/80 (found in Charade GTti/GT-XX)
I3 993cc DOHC 12v turbo
77kW @ 6500 rpm
130Nm @ 3500 rpm
EF-JL (found in 1990i sh L200 Mira/Cuore TRXX)
I3 659cc SOHC 12v turbo
47kW @ 7500 rpm
92Nm @ 4000 rpm
EF-DET (updated EF-JL found in later models of Mira, Move, Naked, Max, Opti, Terios Kid etc)
I3 659cc DOHC 12v turbo
47kW @ 7500 rpm
107Nm at 3200 rpm
JB-JL (found in some later Miras TRXX)
I4 659cc DOHC 16v turbo
47kW @ 7500rpm
100Nm @ 4000rpm
JB-DET (Copen)
I4 659cc DOHC 16v turbo
47kW @ 6000rpm
110Nm @ 3200rpm
K3-VET (YRV Turbo)
I4 1.3L DOHC 16v Turbo
103kW @ 6400 rpm
177Nm @ 3200 rpm
???? (Storia x4)
I3 713cc DOHC 12v Turbo DVVT (daihatsu version of VVTi)
84kw @ 7200rpm
120Nm @ 4800rpm
KJ-VET (Boon x4)
I3 936cc
98kW @ 7200rpm
131Nm @ 3600rpm
The X4's are essentially rally homologation vehicles and so the engines are designed for a higher state of tune and so are capable of much more power with a couple of tweaks. The downside is they are also a bit rarer and will be harder to come by.
Also note the peak power and peak torque figures for the engines, this gives an idea for the power delivery, the latest engines with Variable vale timing would be more tractable and have better response throughout the rev range (most of these engines redline around 8000-9000rpm). Also consider that many of these cars are circa 700-800kg or more, the Copen is 830kg for example, so if you are aiming for something half the weight, so it should be pretty rapid, though you will probably need longer gear ratios to deal with the better power to weight, most of these cars are speed limited to 120km/h and have very low gearing as a result.
Suzuki also have a few offerings in the category.
K10A (Wagon R plus)
I4 1.0L DOHC, 16v turbo
74kW @ 6500 rpm
122Nm @ 3000 rpm
K6A (Wagon R plus, Kei)
I3 660cc DOHC 12v turbo
47kW @ 6500 rpm
106Nm @ 3500 rpm
(there is also a hi compression atmo version of this engine with VVT, putting out 40kW & 63Nm)
F5 (suzuki cappucino, alto RSX/RSR, AZ-1)
I3 550cc SOHC and DOHC versions 12v Turbo
power varies between versions, usually around 47kw and 72Nm.
(there is also an increased capacity 660 version of this engine called the F6A or B with a bit more torque.)
Subaru make an unusal little engine that is supercharged, though I think these days it has reverted to turbocharging.
EN07 (Vivio RXR)
I4 658cc DOHC 16v supercharged
48kw @ 6400rpm
88Nm at 4000rpm
Mitsubishi have some superb little units found in bizarrely named stuff like the Minica Dangan ZZ and Mitsubishi Toppo BJ. Some people consider these the best available with the 5 valves per cylinder and other hitech stuff, but there isn't a whole lot to seperate them as stock really, all are limited by the 47kW power limit.
3G83T (early 90s 3 cylinder)
I3 659cc DOHC 15V (yes FIVE valves per cylinder!)
47kW @ 7000rpm
96Nm @ 3500rpm
4A30T (later 90s onwards 4 cylinder)
I4 659cc DOHC 20V
47kw @ 7000rpm
97Nm @ 3500rpm
Also European companies have a few suspects, Smart for one in the fourtwo, and I think Fiat do a reasonable 1.4L Turbo as well.
Older engines that occaisionally crop up include the 1.2L SOHC turbo from the Honda City Turbo, and also the 936cc Supercharged and Turbocharged four cylinder found in the Nissan Micra/March Superturbo.
Wow, I never knew there were so many! I always just ignored these very small capacity engines, but it looks like they have a lot of potential with very little mass and are pretty sophisticated I'll have a proper dig around for more info from the list (cost of engine, parts, availablity and scope for pushing up the power and torque) tomorrow.
Seems like I have a lot more choice than bike engines for super light power plants
I'll have a proper dig around for more info from the list (cost of engine, parts, availablity and scope for pushing up the power and torque) tomorrow. Seems like I have a lot more choice than bike engines for super light power plants
Slighty incorrect on the Cappuccino
The early (only one we had in the UK) Suzuki Cappuccinos (along with those Altos and the Mazda AZ-1) had the F6A engine which is:
I3 660cc DOHC 12v turbo
47kW @ 6500 rpm
85Nm @ 4000 rpm
I also think the torque listed for the K6A is incorrect. It's basically a F6A with chain-driven camshafts rather than a cambelt and a couple of minor tweaks, wouldn't expect the peak torque was up 25% as standard but I could be wrong.
Oh and people have had the F6A up to some pretty impressive outputs (circa 170hp) with them blowing up. With a custom ECU, boost controller and a few minor bits like sorting the intake/exhaust you can get over 100hp no problem.
road_terrorist said:
K6A (Wagon R plus, Kei)
I3 660cc DOHC 12v turbo
47kW @ 6500 rpm
106Nm @ 3500 rpm
(there is also a hi compression atmo version of this engine with VVT, putting out 40kW & 63Nm)
F5 (suzuki cappucino, alto RSX/RSR, AZ-1)
I3 550cc SOHC and DOHC versions 12v Turbo
power varies between versions, usually around 47kw and 72Nm.
(there is also an increased capacity 660 version of this engine called the F6A or B with a bit more torque.)
I3 660cc DOHC 12v turbo
47kW @ 6500 rpm
106Nm @ 3500 rpm
(there is also a hi compression atmo version of this engine with VVT, putting out 40kW & 63Nm)
F5 (suzuki cappucino, alto RSX/RSR, AZ-1)
I3 550cc SOHC and DOHC versions 12v Turbo
power varies between versions, usually around 47kw and 72Nm.
(there is also an increased capacity 660 version of this engine called the F6A or B with a bit more torque.)
The early (only one we had in the UK) Suzuki Cappuccinos (along with those Altos and the Mazda AZ-1) had the F6A engine which is:
I3 660cc DOHC 12v turbo
47kW @ 6500 rpm
85Nm @ 4000 rpm
I also think the torque listed for the K6A is incorrect. It's basically a F6A with chain-driven camshafts rather than a cambelt and a couple of minor tweaks, wouldn't expect the peak torque was up 25% as standard but I could be wrong.
Oh and people have had the F6A up to some pretty impressive outputs (circa 170hp) with them blowing up. With a custom ECU, boost controller and a few minor bits like sorting the intake/exhaust you can get over 100hp no problem.
Edited by jaik on Saturday 17th February 11:19
Yes the CB70/CB80 is a gem of an engine. Over engineered(forged engine) and begging to be modded.
They are very strong and will handle almost anything you throw at them, so long as a) they are maintained properly and b) the fuelling/ignition is spot on. Stock manifold is a weakpoint as they warp which causes a blow, which then if not caught often leads to headgasket failure as it blows across the centre pot where the head meets the block.
I'm on my third, a Japanese GTxx, last time I had it dyno'd it made 150hp/125lbft on 12psi boost, hybrid turbo, 270deg cams, plug in Daihatsu Racing Service ECU.
Since then its had a fully mappable ECU fitted, more boost, and I am changing the turbo to a new custom hybrid and replacing the throttle body(std throttle body is a major restriction when seeking big power), this little lot should take me over 200hp *usable* with ease, on just 18-20psi boost.
I would love to see one used in Kit Car, seems like an ideal combo.
Stock IC(sidemount) isnt much cop over 1bar boost and neither is the stock turbo, just becomes a hot air pump. That said a stock engine mapped to 1 bar boost is a total hoot, even more so in a light kit car I would imagine.
The engines are becoming rarer, daihatsu have ceased supply of cranks and some other more minor bits but as has been mentioned brand new engines are available for £2500 odd.
Feel free to ask any questions.
I've also driven a Mira TRxx AWD with the 660cc 16v Turbo engine, it jumps out of the blocks crazy fast, but isnt really much cop past 70mph. Great fun tho
They are very strong and will handle almost anything you throw at them, so long as a) they are maintained properly and b) the fuelling/ignition is spot on. Stock manifold is a weakpoint as they warp which causes a blow, which then if not caught often leads to headgasket failure as it blows across the centre pot where the head meets the block.
I'm on my third, a Japanese GTxx, last time I had it dyno'd it made 150hp/125lbft on 12psi boost, hybrid turbo, 270deg cams, plug in Daihatsu Racing Service ECU.
Since then its had a fully mappable ECU fitted, more boost, and I am changing the turbo to a new custom hybrid and replacing the throttle body(std throttle body is a major restriction when seeking big power), this little lot should take me over 200hp *usable* with ease, on just 18-20psi boost.
I would love to see one used in Kit Car, seems like an ideal combo.
Stock IC(sidemount) isnt much cop over 1bar boost and neither is the stock turbo, just becomes a hot air pump. That said a stock engine mapped to 1 bar boost is a total hoot, even more so in a light kit car I would imagine.
The engines are becoming rarer, daihatsu have ceased supply of cranks and some other more minor bits but as has been mentioned brand new engines are available for £2500 odd.
Feel free to ask any questions.
I've also driven a Mira TRxx AWD with the 660cc 16v Turbo engine, it jumps out of the blocks crazy fast, but isnt really much cop past 70mph. Great fun tho
Edited by MarfGTti on Wednesday 7th March 10:53
Edited by MarfGTti on Wednesday 7th March 10:54
Edited by MarfGTti on Wednesday 7th March 10:56
I'm currently looking after my friends Charade turbo powered Mini (for the winter). If anyone needs details of his conversion I'm sure he'd be more than happy to answer questions - although he's in Canada for a few more months. And that means a few more Sunday morning blasts for me! It's an awesome bit of kit.
Dan Friel said:
I'm currently looking after my friends Charade turbo powered Mini (for the winter). If anyone needs details of his conversion I'm sure he'd be more than happy to answer questions - although he's in Canada for a few more months. And that means a few more Sunday morning blasts for me! It's an awesome bit of kit.
that would be great mate!
how much do these weigh? cant be that much even if its an iron block.
thanks Chris.
The charade petrol turbo engines have an iron block as all the other 3-pot petrols. Gtti block is taken from the 3-pot diesel they had in the range at that time (explains the strong bottom end). So if you need to rebuild, perhaps a charade diesel engine can help you to spare parts (crank, block, etc.). There was a NA and turbo diesel. Only issue the diesels had in the beginning is that the piston rings could weld themselves to the bore - result: piston braking and ruining the engine.
Rob
Rob
350zwelgje said:
The charade petrol turbo engines have an iron block as all the other 3-pot petrols. Gtti block is taken from the 3-pot diesel they had in the range at that time (explains the strong bottom end). So if you need to rebuild, perhaps a charade diesel engine can help you to spare parts (crank, block, etc.). There was a NA and turbo diesel. Only issue the diesels had in the beginning is that the piston rings could weld themselves to the bore - result: piston braking and ruining the engine.
Rob
Rob
A number of us in the GTti OC have looked into the interchangeability of parts between the diesel and GTti and I'm afraid your mistaken there Rob. The GTti bottom end is a totally different animal, only the rods are common between the diesel and GTti bottom end.
The crank, block and pistons are totally different. Strong in and of themselves, but different.
Edited by MarfGTti on Friday 9th March 15:52
MarfGTti said:
350zwelgje said:
The charade petrol turbo engines have an iron block as all the other 3-pot petrols. Gtti block is taken from the 3-pot diesel they had in the range at that time (explains the strong bottom end). So if you need to rebuild, perhaps a charade diesel engine can help you to spare parts (crank, block, etc.). There was a NA and turbo diesel. Only issue the diesels had in the beginning is that the piston rings could weld themselves to the bore - result: piston braking and ruining the engine.
Rob
Rob
A number of us in the GTti OC have looked into the interchangeability of parts between the diesel and GTti and I'm afraid your mistaken there Rob. The GTti bottom end is a totally different animal, only the rods are common between the diesel and GTti bottom end.
The crank, block and pistons are totally different. Strong in and of themselves, but different.
Edited by MarfGTti on Friday 9th March 15:52
Stand corrected then. So it was only the design then the gtti block was based on? As think that when I remember well the dimensions of the 3-cyl engine specifications (diesel-petrol) are the same. Shame to hear that you haven't got a economic spare source then, as these engines deserve to live on. Never owned one myself, but had a few nice blasts in them. Wife still has her '93 charade with 1.3i 4-cylinder engine. And that is a good engine as well (ok only 90bhp, but enough for a shopping car). If only the handling was better (like gtti). If considering just to use only the engine, the 4-cylinder can be a nice n/a option, all alloy and probably cheap to buy in a scrap yard or even as a runner.
Rob
Your right, all the 993cc engines share the same bore and stroke, the bottom end is common between the carby petrols, the diesel has it's own bottom end as does the GTti/GTxx.
The 4cyl Hxx series of engines are great for what they are and can be modded quite heavily, but as with the GTti most stuff will have to be custom.
I know one guy in Australia who tuned one of the 1.6 HD-E engines to about 370 hp, ball bearing turbo, forged pistons, h-beam rods, billet crank, the works lol
The 4cyl Hxx series of engines are great for what they are and can be modded quite heavily, but as with the GTti most stuff will have to be custom.
I know one guy in Australia who tuned one of the 1.6 HD-E engines to about 370 hp, ball bearing turbo, forged pistons, h-beam rods, billet crank, the works lol
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