RWD Turbo Diesel Options For Transplanting
Discussion
I'm concocting a crafty project and need a rear drive Turbo Diesel engine, The plan is to drop a fairly modern td lump and automatic transmission into a tax exempt barge (triumph 2500 or Rover P6) So I'm after suggestions as to what to use and the likely output, I rekon I need at least 120bhp. Wiring could be a problem on some of the late engines, but I'm pretty good at sorting spaghetti out(restored a couple of Lotus!
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suggestions awaited gents
Mark
)suggestions awaited gents
Mark
The most sensible option would be the VAG 1.9tdi engine. Very tunable, and Id guess fairly affordable too.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/
I owned a 525tds once.....Auto box was crap ( for diesel use anyway ), and the engine developed a noise...luckily I got rid of the car before it threw a rod, like many of those engines do.
Another option some are using, are the 5cyl Volvo/Audi engines
http://forums.tdiclub.com/
I owned a 525tds once.....Auto box was crap ( for diesel use anyway ), and the engine developed a noise...luckily I got rid of the car before it threw a rod, like many of those engines do.
Another option some are using, are the 5cyl Volvo/Audi engines
stevieturbo said:
The most sensible option would be the VAG 1.9tdi engine. Very tunable, and Id guess fairly affordable too.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/
I owned a 525tds once.....Auto box was crap ( for diesel use anyway ), and the engine developed a noise...luckily I got rid of the car before it threw a rod, like many of those engines do.
Another option some are using, are the 5cyl Volvo/Audi engines
i want a rear wheel drive set up to go into a classic front engine/rear drive set up, the vag lump would be good, but what auto trans to hook it up to, http://forums.tdiclub.com/
I owned a 525tds once.....Auto box was crap ( for diesel use anyway ), and the engine developed a noise...luckily I got rid of the car before it threw a rod, like many of those engines do.
Another option some are using, are the 5cyl Volvo/Audi engines
the bmw/gm one appeals
If its torquey operation you want.....then the BMW diesel auto is not for you.
BMW claim max torque for these engines is circa 1900rpm.... I found it impossible to ever actually use this rpm in normal driving.
The box continually forced the engine to rev its nuts off. It took until about 75mph before it would engage top gear, and then if you even touched the accelerator, it kicked down gears to accelerate. It spent most of its life above 3000rpm....
An absolutely horrible package. But from a sportier car, it might not be so bad. But for something with a diesel engine, it was so crap. If you were able to take control of the box, and alter its shifting patterns, then it could be an excellent choice, but it doesnt get around its reliability problems. I know a few taxi engines that threw rods.
I know of a guy that bought an Omega through an auction very cheap once, that was running bad....he thought he was getting a bargain.
Upon stripping it.... it was missing a rod and piston !!!!!!! The crank journal had been welded up so the oil couldnt escape the gallery lol
Of course, many are reliable too....
I drive a Volvo 940td, that uses the old 2.4td straight 6 VW engine. Very old tech, but its bolted to an auto box. Fully mechanical, and works well IMO.
Apparently the 5cyl range of engines bolt straight to this box.
BMW claim max torque for these engines is circa 1900rpm.... I found it impossible to ever actually use this rpm in normal driving.
The box continually forced the engine to rev its nuts off. It took until about 75mph before it would engage top gear, and then if you even touched the accelerator, it kicked down gears to accelerate. It spent most of its life above 3000rpm....
An absolutely horrible package. But from a sportier car, it might not be so bad. But for something with a diesel engine, it was so crap. If you were able to take control of the box, and alter its shifting patterns, then it could be an excellent choice, but it doesnt get around its reliability problems. I know a few taxi engines that threw rods.
I know of a guy that bought an Omega through an auction very cheap once, that was running bad....he thought he was getting a bargain.
Upon stripping it.... it was missing a rod and piston !!!!!!! The crank journal had been welded up so the oil couldnt escape the gallery lol
Of course, many are reliable too....
I drive a Volvo 940td, that uses the old 2.4td straight 6 VW engine. Very old tech, but its bolted to an auto box. Fully mechanical, and works well IMO.
Apparently the 5cyl range of engines bolt straight to this box.
stevieturbo said:
If its torquey operation you want.....then the BMW diesel auto is not for you.
BMW claim max torque for these engines is circa 1900rpm.... I found it impossible to ever actually use this rpm in normal driving.
The box continually forced the engine to rev its nuts off. It took until about 75mph before it would engage top gear, and then if you even touched the accelerator, it kicked down gears to accelerate. It spent most of its life above 3000rpm....
An absolutely horrible package. But from a sportier car, it might not be so bad. But for something with a diesel engine, it was so crap. If you were able to take control of the box, and alter its shifting patterns, then it could be an excellent choice, but it doesnt get around its reliability problems. I know a few taxi engines that threw rods.
I know of a guy that bought an Omega through an auction very cheap once, that was running bad....he thought he was getting a bargain.
Upon stripping it.... it was missing a rod and piston !!!!!!! The crank journal had been welded up so the oil couldnt escape the gallery lol
Of course, many are reliable too....
I drive a Volvo 940td, that uses the old 2.4td straight 6 VW engine. Very old tech, but its bolted to an auto box. Fully mechanical, and works well IMO.
Apparently the 5cyl range of engines bolt straight to this box.
I'd forgotten about the Volvo, I remember them being a tad sluggish? have you a source for the 5 cylinder fitment?. I recall my ex inlaws(outlaws?) running an Omega and it was a thirsty beast, they didnt keep it long!!BMW claim max torque for these engines is circa 1900rpm.... I found it impossible to ever actually use this rpm in normal driving.
The box continually forced the engine to rev its nuts off. It took until about 75mph before it would engage top gear, and then if you even touched the accelerator, it kicked down gears to accelerate. It spent most of its life above 3000rpm....
An absolutely horrible package. But from a sportier car, it might not be so bad. But for something with a diesel engine, it was so crap. If you were able to take control of the box, and alter its shifting patterns, then it could be an excellent choice, but it doesnt get around its reliability problems. I know a few taxi engines that threw rods.
I know of a guy that bought an Omega through an auction very cheap once, that was running bad....he thought he was getting a bargain.
Upon stripping it.... it was missing a rod and piston !!!!!!! The crank journal had been welded up so the oil couldnt escape the gallery lol
Of course, many are reliable too....
I drive a Volvo 940td, that uses the old 2.4td straight 6 VW engine. Very old tech, but its bolted to an auto box. Fully mechanical, and works well IMO.
Apparently the 5cyl range of engines bolt straight to this box.
Forgot about my 525 being thirsty !!!!! although fuel was cheap those days 
I know the 5cyl is the derivative as used in some VW vans, people carriers etc. But I also hear its fitted to some Audi's too....
There was a guy on that tdiclub forum making silly amounts of power with one
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=166311&...
I know the 5cyl is the derivative as used in some VW vans, people carriers etc. But I also hear its fitted to some Audi's too....
There was a guy on that tdiclub forum making silly amounts of power with one
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=166311&...
Edited by stevieturbo on Thursday 20th September 21:35
ELAN+2 said:
stevieturbo said:
If its torquey operation you want.....then the BMW diesel auto is not for you.
BMW claim max torque for these engines is circa 1900rpm.... I found it impossible to ever actually use this rpm in normal driving.
The box continually forced the engine to rev its nuts off. It took until about 75mph before it would engage top gear, and then if you even touched the accelerator, it kicked down gears to accelerate. It spent most of its life above 3000rpm....
An absolutely horrible package. But from a sportier car, it might not be so bad. But for something with a diesel engine, it was so crap. If you were able to take control of the box, and alter its shifting patterns, then it could be an excellent choice, but it doesnt get around its reliability problems. I know a few taxi engines that threw rods.
I know of a guy that bought an Omega through an auction very cheap once, that was running bad....he thought he was getting a bargain.
Upon stripping it.... it was missing a rod and piston !!!!!!! The crank journal had been welded up so the oil couldnt escape the gallery lol
Of course, many are reliable too....
I drive a Volvo 940td, that uses the old 2.4td straight 6 VW engine. Very old tech, but its bolted to an auto box. Fully mechanical, and works well IMO.
Apparently the 5cyl range of engines bolt straight to this box.
I'd forgotten about the Volvo, I remember them being a tad sluggish? have you a source for the 5 cylinder fitment?. I recall my ex inlaws(outlaws?) running an Omega and it was a thirsty beast, they didnt keep it long!!BMW claim max torque for these engines is circa 1900rpm.... I found it impossible to ever actually use this rpm in normal driving.
The box continually forced the engine to rev its nuts off. It took until about 75mph before it would engage top gear, and then if you even touched the accelerator, it kicked down gears to accelerate. It spent most of its life above 3000rpm....
An absolutely horrible package. But from a sportier car, it might not be so bad. But for something with a diesel engine, it was so crap. If you were able to take control of the box, and alter its shifting patterns, then it could be an excellent choice, but it doesnt get around its reliability problems. I know a few taxi engines that threw rods.
I know of a guy that bought an Omega through an auction very cheap once, that was running bad....he thought he was getting a bargain.
Upon stripping it.... it was missing a rod and piston !!!!!!! The crank journal had been welded up so the oil couldnt escape the gallery lol
Of course, many are reliable too....
I drive a Volvo 940td, that uses the old 2.4td straight 6 VW engine. Very old tech, but its bolted to an auto box. Fully mechanical, and works well IMO.
Apparently the 5cyl range of engines bolt straight to this box.
annodomini2 said:
ELAN+2 said:
stevieturbo said:
If its torquey operation you want.....then the BMW diesel auto is not for you.
BMW claim max torque for these engines is circa 1900rpm.... I found it impossible to ever actually use this rpm in normal driving.
The box continually forced the engine to rev its nuts off. It took until about 75mph before it would engage top gear, and then if you even touched the accelerator, it kicked down gears to accelerate. It spent most of its life above 3000rpm....
An absolutely horrible package. But from a sportier car, it might not be so bad. But for something with a diesel engine, it was so crap. If you were able to take control of the box, and alter its shifting patterns, then it could be an excellent choice, but it doesnt get around its reliability problems. I know a few taxi engines that threw rods.
I know of a guy that bought an Omega through an auction very cheap once, that was running bad....he thought he was getting a bargain.
Upon stripping it.... it was missing a rod and piston !!!!!!! The crank journal had been welded up so the oil couldnt escape the gallery lol
Of course, many are reliable too....
I drive a Volvo 940td, that uses the old 2.4td straight 6 VW engine. Very old tech, but its bolted to an auto box. Fully mechanical, and works well IMO.
Apparently the 5cyl range of engines bolt straight to this box.
I'd forgotten about the Volvo, I remember them being a tad sluggish? have you a source for the 5 cylinder fitment?. I recall my ex inlaws(outlaws?) running an Omega and it was a thirsty beast, they didnt keep it long!!BMW claim max torque for these engines is circa 1900rpm.... I found it impossible to ever actually use this rpm in normal driving.
The box continually forced the engine to rev its nuts off. It took until about 75mph before it would engage top gear, and then if you even touched the accelerator, it kicked down gears to accelerate. It spent most of its life above 3000rpm....
An absolutely horrible package. But from a sportier car, it might not be so bad. But for something with a diesel engine, it was so crap. If you were able to take control of the box, and alter its shifting patterns, then it could be an excellent choice, but it doesnt get around its reliability problems. I know a few taxi engines that threw rods.
I know of a guy that bought an Omega through an auction very cheap once, that was running bad....he thought he was getting a bargain.
Upon stripping it.... it was missing a rod and piston !!!!!!! The crank journal had been welded up so the oil couldnt escape the gallery lol
Of course, many are reliable too....
I drive a Volvo 940td, that uses the old 2.4td straight 6 VW engine. Very old tech, but its bolted to an auto box. Fully mechanical, and works well IMO.
Apparently the 5cyl range of engines bolt straight to this box.
The later FWD 5cylinder engine would be very interesting if it could be easily attached to a RWD transmission.....further investigation required here, me thinks.
ELAN+2 said:
All large volvo's pre 850 were rwd, the 1,2,7 and 9 series being the applicable types.
7 and 9. But there never was a diesel 140, much less a diesel 120, and the 240 diesel was a non-UK LHD-only model because the steering column would be in the way of the engine in RHD form.Pigeon said:
ELAN+2 said:
All large volvo's pre 850 were rwd, the 1,2,7 and 9 series being the applicable types.
7 and 9. But there never was a diesel 140, much less a diesel 120, and the 240 diesel was a non-UK LHD-only model because the steering column would be in the way of the engine in RHD form.
ELAN+2 said:
The later FWD 5cylinder engine would be very interesting if it could be easily attached to a RWD transmission.....further investigation required here, me thinks.
I mention the 5cyl....as according to the diesel guys, it uses the same bellhousing bolt pattern as my straight 6 VAG diesel engine.stevieturbo said:
ELAN+2 said:
The later FWD 5cylinder engine would be very interesting if it could be easily attached to a RWD transmission.....further investigation required here, me thinks.
I mention the 5cyl....as according to the diesel guys, it uses the same bellhousing bolt pattern as my straight 6 VAG diesel engine.thanks for the ideas guys
chuntington101 said:
Someone in PPC is doing a VAG 1.9tdi in a Westfield. intresting engine choice. think he is going for a ford box. should be in the next months copy.
thanks Chris.
sounds very interesting, a friend has one in an A4, its been chipped to stupid amounts of grunt and still returns very good mpg. It'll be interesting to see how its hooked up for rwd(bellhousing etc)thanks Chris.
As said.. plenty of middle aged Merc engines abound for this - you get one of the best autos available too :]. Even non-turbocharged is an option - the 300 Diesel makes about 125bhp without a turbo, which isn't too bad all things considered. Quite a nice drive too as I remember - doesn't have the rather annoying power delivery of a turbo diesel, rather revvy and petroly as I recall. Otherwise the 300 turbodiesel makes something like 170-190bhp. Bet that ones rather heavy though - straight six + diesel + turbo + auto!
Oh also there's the 250 turbodiesel which is a five cylinder - 150bhp. I found that a bit lazy and laggy in spite of the decent power figure - but I only drove one (auto) many years ago.
Of course there's loads of newer CDI engines but they're probably more expensive and the electrics might be harder to wire in?
Oh also there's the 250 turbodiesel which is a five cylinder - 150bhp. I found that a bit lazy and laggy in spite of the decent power figure - but I only drove one (auto) many years ago.
Of course there's loads of newer CDI engines but they're probably more expensive and the electrics might be harder to wire in?
Pentoman]As said.. plenty of middle aged Merc engines abound for this - you get one of the best autos available too : said:
. Even non-turbocharged is an option - the 300 Diesel makes about 125bhp without a turbo, which isn't too bad all things considered. Quite a nice drive too as I remember - doesn't have the rather annoying power delivery of a turbo diesel, rather revvy and petroly as I recall. Otherwise the 300 turbodiesel makes something like 170-190bhp. Bet that ones rather heavy though - straight six + diesel + turbo + auto!
Oh also there's the 250 turbodiesel which is a five cylinder - 150bhp. I found that a bit lazy and laggy in spite of the decent power figure - but I only drove one (auto) many years ago.
Of course there's loads of newer CDI engines but they're probably more expensive and the electrics might be harder to wire in?
the biggest issue with the later electronic Diesels must surely be the inbuilt imobiliser circuit? also on very late CAN BUS cars they may not run without the car chassis electrics connected(abs,tc, stability,a/c,transmission etc)? Are after market diesel ecu's available?Oh also there's the 250 turbodiesel which is a five cylinder - 150bhp. I found that a bit lazy and laggy in spite of the decent power figure - but I only drove one (auto) many years ago.
Of course there's loads of newer CDI engines but they're probably more expensive and the electrics might be harder to wire in?
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