Audi energy recuperation
Audi energy recuperation
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Yuxi

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650 posts

213 months

Saturday 14th November 2009
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Anyone know how the above works?

chard

28,671 posts

207 months

Sunday 15th November 2009
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On overrun the alternator provides additional boost to charge the battery also giving more engine braking.

Simples

fatjon

2,298 posts

237 months

Monday 16th November 2009
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So if the battery is fully charged it does nothing then! Sounds like someone in the Audi marketing department saw a green bandwagon passing by.

stevieturbo

17,985 posts

271 months

Monday 16th November 2009
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chard said:
On overrun the alternator provides additional boost to charge the battery also giving more engine braking.

Simples
Sure the alternator charges all the time when engine is running anyway ?


that doesnt make any sense ?

chard

28,671 posts

207 months

Monday 16th November 2009
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The Alternator charges some additional cells in the battery. If you switch on anything electrical that creates extra drag on the charging system (electrical power is not FOC just cause the engine is running) even using a heated rear windscreen will effect fuel consumption. It makes sense to recoup some of the overrun energy to suppliment this power loss.

Edited by chard on Monday 16th November 14:41

tegwin

1,682 posts

230 months

Monday 16th November 2009
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Every time I see that advert I dont get it..... from all their technical blurb.. all it appears to be is an alternator driven by the engine.... exactly as in every other car since about 1960!

chard

28,671 posts

207 months

Monday 16th November 2009
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The point is the Audi alternator generates more power to recharge the battery on OVER-RUN so using some "free" energy. and less drag on the engine under power.


Just one feature on it's own isnt going to save the world but does help reduce emissions.

Combine this with other features and developments and you can make impovements.

i.e. at home a low wattage light bulb does not make much differance, but lag the HW tank, install cavity wall insulation etc etc and you will see improvements.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

279 months

Monday 16th November 2009
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chard said:
The point is the Audi alternator generates more power to recharge the battery on OVER-RUN so using some "free" energy. and less drag on the engine under power.
I think the point is that a few miles after starting a car the battery should be pretty much fully charged anyway...

stevieturbo

17,985 posts

271 months

Monday 16th November 2009
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chard said:
Just one feature on it's own isnt going to save the world but does help reduce emissions.
Can you explain how any of this will save the world ?? Im lost there.

chard

28,671 posts

207 months

Tuesday 17th November 2009
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If you are say using head lights this uses additional power from the battery, which the alternator will have to replace (with me so far)

So better use overun power to replenish the battery than engine power.


davepoth

29,395 posts

223 months

Tuesday 17th November 2009
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What I think is going on here is that the starter motor is now in line with the gearbox where the flywheel usually is because it's one of those start/stop mild hybrids. Under braking it's used as a generator, much like the KERS in F1. But with the bonus that the Quattro AWD system will let the car's electronics balance out the braking force to feel more like the normal brakes.

Nothing special really, any company that makes a "mild hybrid" has exactly the same thing but doesn't make such a song and dance about it.

chard

28,671 posts

207 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Start/stop is a seperate system, not a hybrid. As I said every little helps. For instance LED lights use less power, pending european legislation (due in the next couple of years) will require all cars to use daytime running lights.

100SRV

2,328 posts

266 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Is the Audi recuperation system using an electromagnetic clutch to decouple the alternator rotor when the engine is driving and recouple it on the overrun?

chard

28,671 posts

207 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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The alternator is driven all the time but increases its charge rate on over-run

Huff

3,388 posts

215 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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100SRV said:
Is the Audi recuperation system using an electromagnetic clutch to decouple the alternator rotor when the engine is driving and recouple it on the overrun?
Probably not.

All you have to do to an alternator to get no output is disconnect the field winding, very easily done by linking the regulator to an ECU since the regulator already exists in every alternator, and works by managing current through the field winding. Less field current = less magnetism in the rotor = less output. And the amount of energy required to turn-over an non-generating alternator is essentially zero, it's just an idler on the accessory drive belt.

annodomini2

6,964 posts

275 months