480 Turbo into Mk 1 Clio?
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beanie d 83 said:
Does anyone have the knowledge on dropping a volvo 480 turbo lump into a mk 1 clio as I am looking to do this and would appreciate any help I can get! Many thanks!
sorry mate have know idea about the 480 engine, however i think there are a few people doing VAG 1.8T engines.....Chris.
You may get better answers by asking the forums on http://www.clio16valver.co.uk and on http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/
http://www.clio16valver.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?...
http://www.clio16valver.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?...
..You may have to register but it'd probably be worth it, there's atleast one person on there running a Volvo conversion.
Cheers.
http://www.clio16valver.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?...
http://www.clio16valver.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?...
..You may have to register but it'd probably be worth it, there's atleast one person on there running a Volvo conversion.
Cheers.
I put a 480 turbo lump into a R5 turbo a while ago (well,actually, it was 1994!!)
easy job, would probably be the same in a clio - i had to get the 1.7 litre engine mounts, but the clio ones would probably bolt straight up, need to sort out the exhaust with a modified down pipe (again, easy) then sort out the wiring, as it's an old fenix EMS system, there's only a few wires to connect / modify - no probs with a couple of wiring diagrams for each car. If you want more performance you can install a bleed pipe in the wastegate pnuematic feed line, but it will trip the over boost cut at about 8/9psi boost (std car runs a pathetic 6psi/ 0.5bar ish) if you install a boost blocker into the pressure sensing line to the ignition ecu you can get up to nearly 1 bar on the std ecu map (MAF meter just sorts out fuelling / KCS sorts out ignition, but best only use 98ron if you do this)
They go well with this conversion, really driveable, good performance, mine made about 175bhp (flywheel) so it went well in a 5turbo!!
easy job, would probably be the same in a clio - i had to get the 1.7 litre engine mounts, but the clio ones would probably bolt straight up, need to sort out the exhaust with a modified down pipe (again, easy) then sort out the wiring, as it's an old fenix EMS system, there's only a few wires to connect / modify - no probs with a couple of wiring diagrams for each car. If you want more performance you can install a bleed pipe in the wastegate pnuematic feed line, but it will trip the over boost cut at about 8/9psi boost (std car runs a pathetic 6psi/ 0.5bar ish) if you install a boost blocker into the pressure sensing line to the ignition ecu you can get up to nearly 1 bar on the std ecu map (MAF meter just sorts out fuelling / KCS sorts out ignition, but best only use 98ron if you do this)
They go well with this conversion, really driveable, good performance, mine made about 175bhp (flywheel) so it went well in a 5turbo!!
Max_Torque said:
I put a 480 turbo lump into a R5 turbo a while ago (well,actually, it was 1994!!)
easy job, would probably be the same in a clio - i had to get the 1.7 litre engine mounts, but the clio ones would probably bolt straight up, need to sort out the exhaust with a modified down pipe (again, easy) then sort out the wiring, as it's an old fenix EMS system, there's only a few wires to connect / modify - no probs with a couple of wiring diagrams for each car. If you want more performance you can install a bleed pipe in the wastegate pnuematic feed line, but it will trip the over boost cut at about 8/9psi boost (std car runs a pathetic 6psi/ 0.5bar ish) if you install a boost blocker into the pressure sensing line to the ignition ecu you can get up to nearly 1 bar on the std ecu map (MAF meter just sorts out fuelling / KCS sorts out ignition, but best only use 98ron if you do this)
They go well with this conversion, really driveable, good performance, mine made about 175bhp (flywheel) so it went well in a 5turbo!!
How tunable are these engines? can you map the stock ECU so you can run more boost? easy job, would probably be the same in a clio - i had to get the 1.7 litre engine mounts, but the clio ones would probably bolt straight up, need to sort out the exhaust with a modified down pipe (again, easy) then sort out the wiring, as it's an old fenix EMS system, there's only a few wires to connect / modify - no probs with a couple of wiring diagrams for each car. If you want more performance you can install a bleed pipe in the wastegate pnuematic feed line, but it will trip the over boost cut at about 8/9psi boost (std car runs a pathetic 6psi/ 0.5bar ish) if you install a boost blocker into the pressure sensing line to the ignition ecu you can get up to nearly 1 bar on the std ecu map (MAF meter just sorts out fuelling / KCS sorts out ignition, but best only use 98ron if you do this)
They go well with this conversion, really driveable, good performance, mine made about 175bhp (flywheel) so it went well in a 5turbo!!
TBH, above just winding up the boost with a simple bleed and installing the blocker in the ignition computer line, i wouldnt bother do anything else. Despite what you hear these days with needing at least 300bhp in any hatchback, a small light french hot hatch with a genuine 180 nags and a wide spread of torque, when combined with the std low gearing is just about as fast as you can sensibly put through the front wheels. Sure, you'll feel heroic wrestling with the torque steer as plumes of smoke pour off your front tyres (or tyre ..... lol) but you won't actually be going very fast!
I should imagine that the fuel ecu is easy to hack, bound to be just a simple 8bit device with a seperate EEPROM, probably almost certainly been hacked by someone in france / sweeden etc. As the fuel computer just reads the MAF, and corrects via a narrow band lambda sensor, it pretty much adapts ok to more airflow, if you want you can play a few games with the MAF tube diameter to slightly rescale the max MAF value, and just rely on the closed loop fuelling to trim back the low load values.
You could also reprogram the ignition ecu, but we just fitted the blocker to prevent over boost cut, and slotted the crank sensor mountings to allow a basic +/- 5 deg overall map trim which seemed to work fine.
If you wanted something really fast, then any aftermarket ecu would obviously allow you full control / tunability for a relatively low cost...... (i have a 16v F7r engine turbo'd in my track car that spits out about 540 odd horses, mechanically (except for pistons /rods) the F series engine is bullet proof old - skool, massive iron crankcase, cranks, bearings are huge etc)
I should imagine that the fuel ecu is easy to hack, bound to be just a simple 8bit device with a seperate EEPROM, probably almost certainly been hacked by someone in france / sweeden etc. As the fuel computer just reads the MAF, and corrects via a narrow band lambda sensor, it pretty much adapts ok to more airflow, if you want you can play a few games with the MAF tube diameter to slightly rescale the max MAF value, and just rely on the closed loop fuelling to trim back the low load values.
You could also reprogram the ignition ecu, but we just fitted the blocker to prevent over boost cut, and slotted the crank sensor mountings to allow a basic +/- 5 deg overall map trim which seemed to work fine.
If you wanted something really fast, then any aftermarket ecu would obviously allow you full control / tunability for a relatively low cost...... (i have a 16v F7r engine turbo'd in my track car that spits out about 540 odd horses, mechanically (except for pistons /rods) the F series engine is bullet proof old - skool, massive iron crankcase, cranks, bearings are huge etc)
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