ECU diagnosis and tuning for beginners.
ECU diagnosis and tuning for beginners.
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andy c

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1,216 posts

217 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Be gentle with me, I know nothing about this subject,but it fascinates me.

I would like to learn about setting up the ecu/engine and learn how to tune, generally mess about with , diagnose faults etc.I know most cars can plug in these days.I am told for 1992 xjr I need couple of cables linking engine ecu to interface box to a pc with the right software.
Can you buy modern systems that do this and fault diagnosis these days or do you need the original software and cables etc?
Can you replace with modern aftermarket systems?
Are there any good books to read?

ringram

14,701 posts

272 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Some OEM systems have been cracked so you can use software like efilive for GM apps to gain pretty full access to the ECU or you can run an aftermarket ECU which is designed for ease of use and management. (OEM stuff has a lot of maths and abstraction at times)

There are books around for sure. Check on amazon for "efi engine management" or similar.
Once you get your head around the basics, its pretty easy. The hardest bit is startup and idle, with idle being the worst.

Cruise is simple in comparison. You pretty much target stoich and MBT adding enrichment under heavy load.

Idle is a mess of controlling airflow as well as spark and fuel. Then throw in cams with overlap, higher loads on the engine through PAS or AC etc and sorting out a stable idle under all conditions, temperatures and loads can be pretty fun.

But its the most fun you can have with your car ever smile


andy c

Original Poster:

1,216 posts

217 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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I have 2 cars.The one I am building, I hope to run Motec or similar but the other has to remain OEM.I have read a few threads on here and they say the guy at EPS knows his stuff, so may give him a call for advice and have a little bit of training once the car is finished.

stevieturbo

17,986 posts

271 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Dave Rowe is indeed Mr Motec, and he can also offer tuition classes on your ecu, or I guess any other topic along similar lines.

Although I'm sure a few simple books would give you a basic understanding

I think its maybe out of print now, but Julian Edgar's 21st Century Performance is a great all rounder.
Or with a lot of patience, check Autospeed's online articles as there is a wealth of great info there ( Julian Edgar again )
Not sure if its free now or you have to pay. I was subscribed for years, although I'm sure thats run out a long time ago, but I can still view the stuff.

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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It's worth trying to read around and get a basic understanding of how an engine works (spark ign or diesel, very different!) and how that applies to the task of managing the air, fuel and ign timming (or air, fuel mass and fuel timming for diesel), and how these all interact and are affected by the various operating modes. Understanding the basic concepts of things like how the engines manifold volumetric efficiency is altered by manifold pressure (and the effect of throttle angle on MAP for instance) and engine speed are cruical to being able to effectively "tune" any engine. (we'll leave the complicated stuff like cam-torque actuated valvetrain positional control algorithms till later........ ;-)


TheEnd

15,370 posts

212 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Is this for the Jag?
There most likely will be a basic flash code system built in, connect a test lamp to one pin, and it'll flash out a code which can relate to a certain fault.


fatjon

2,298 posts

237 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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http://www.megamanual.com/index.html

A huge collection of information on the design and installation of engine mangement systems. It's based around their project which is the megasquirt ECU but the principles and much of the detail apply to pretty much any modern engine management system. It does assume a pretty good grounding on the basics of engines and internal combustion.

stevieturbo

17,986 posts

271 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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TheEnd said:
Is this for the Jag?
and it'll flash out a code which can relate to a certain fault.
And often codes can be unrelated too.