Eaton supercharger citroen C2
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Hey
After looking at SOTW I was wondering if I could fit one to my 1.1 C2, I've had a look and I can get one for about £150-£180.
What I'd like to know is what would I have to do to my car to fit it and how much will it cost, I'm going to look at insurance quotes later this afternoon but just wanted your guys opinions first.
After looking at SOTW I was wondering if I could fit one to my 1.1 C2, I've had a look and I can get one for about £150-£180.
What I'd like to know is what would I have to do to my car to fit it and how much will it cost, I'm going to look at insurance quotes later this afternoon but just wanted your guys opinions first.
You can pick up a second hand blower cheap. If you keep the boost low (up to 5-6 psi or so) you can do without intercooling, though it's beneficial to cool if you can. Either need a custom ECU and remap, or fiddle it by upping the fuel pressure.
"Supercharged" by Corky Bell is a good read if you're thinking of doing it, but it's not just a case of bolt it on and off you go.* There are sums and stuff
That's assuming it can be made to fit, of course.
(Although there's a guy with a pinto'd Dax with a charger on it, and apparently he pretty much did just bolt it on to see what would happen...and it's been fine. A bit of a risk on your only car though!)
Edit - you were thinking of mods recently weren't you, throttle bodies? If you want to play, my advice would be to buy a cheap shed, something you can afford to feck up, and go wild with the DIY. Engine mods are EXPENSIVE, as I'm currently finding out. If you just want to go faster, save for a faster car, it'll be cheaper.
"Supercharged" by Corky Bell is a good read if you're thinking of doing it, but it's not just a case of bolt it on and off you go.* There are sums and stuff
That's assuming it can be made to fit, of course.(Although there's a guy with a pinto'd Dax with a charger on it, and apparently he pretty much did just bolt it on to see what would happen...and it's been fine. A bit of a risk on your only car though!)
Edit - you were thinking of mods recently weren't you, throttle bodies? If you want to play, my advice would be to buy a cheap shed, something you can afford to feck up, and go wild with the DIY. Engine mods are EXPENSIVE, as I'm currently finding out. If you just want to go faster, save for a faster car, it'll be cheaper.
Edited by The Black Flash on Friday 21st January 14:00
It's hard to tell if it'll physically fit without having one, or a model of one.
I planned to supercharge my v6, it wasn't until I had the charger and engine in front of me and spent ages playing with positions, that I could see it really wasn't going to fit.
As far as if it will fit in terms of working, that's where the sums come in, but I suspect that "probably" is the answer, especially if you're only looking to run low boost.
I planned to supercharge my v6, it wasn't until I had the charger and engine in front of me and spent ages playing with positions, that I could see it really wasn't going to fit.
As far as if it will fit in terms of working, that's where the sums come in, but I suspect that "probably" is the answer, especially if you're only looking to run low boost.
C2james said:
So do you think it would be worth the risk of buying one to see if it fits?
You can make anything fit, given enough compromises. Just consider what you'd need to do though; fabricating the mounts, getting a custom made crank pulley, sorting out the belt run so it doesn't foul anything, sorting out all the pipework and then fitting an aftermarket ECU and getting the engine re-mapped. And is you are running on stock engine internals, CR etc. the resulting power gain is hardly going to be impressive.Supercharging a wheezy little 1.1 engine when there are higher performance variants available seems a complete waste of time and money.
Mr2Mike said:
Supercharging a wheezy little 1.1 engine when there are higher performance variants available seems a complete waste of time and money.
As I said to the OP, it depends what your goal is.If you want to tune an engine, then go ahead and play - though I'd do it on a car I could afford to mess up. Do something like the PPC £999 challenge for a laugh.
If you want to go faster on the road, buying a faster car will be the cheapest option, up to a point.
Parts list:
Suitable supercharger. The eaton one will work but may need a custom pully ($$$), there's some sums to do, someone will be able to help.
New intake manifold - maybe. If you keep the boost low you might get away with the existing plastic one.
Mounting bracket (and any brackets to move existing components mount positions to make room).
Larger injectors. Sums to do to work out the right ones.
Custom remap.
Silicone pipework.
Optional intercooler but you could do the project in stages and do that once it's proven to work.
You'd need to fart about with crankcase breather. Could just be un-green and vent to atmosphere i suppose.
It'd be more expensive than dropping in a bigger engine, but it'd be 10x more fun to drive too.
Suitable supercharger. The eaton one will work but may need a custom pully ($$$), there's some sums to do, someone will be able to help.
New intake manifold - maybe. If you keep the boost low you might get away with the existing plastic one.
Mounting bracket (and any brackets to move existing components mount positions to make room).
Larger injectors. Sums to do to work out the right ones.
Custom remap.
Silicone pipework.
Optional intercooler but you could do the project in stages and do that once it's proven to work.
You'd need to fart about with crankcase breather. Could just be un-green and vent to atmosphere i suppose.
It'd be more expensive than dropping in a bigger engine, but it'd be 10x more fun to drive too.
OctyVrs said:
Parts list:
Suitable supercharger. The eaton one will work but may need a custom pully ($$$), there's some sums to do, someone will be able to help.
New intake manifold - maybe. If you keep the boost low you might get away with the existing plastic one.
Mounting bracket (and any brackets to move existing components mount positions to make room).
Larger injectors. Sums to do to work out the right ones.
Custom remap.
Silicone pipework.
Optional intercooler but you could do the project in stages and do that once it's proven to work.
You'd need to fart about with crankcase breather. Could just be un-green and vent to atmosphere i suppose.
It'd be more expensive than dropping in a bigger engine, but it'd be 10x more fun to drive too.
Looks about right, obviously with the Custom Map you'd want as much rolling road time as you can get just to get everything spotless and ultimatly preserve your car from breaking on the road, as its much better to have niggles on the RR as opposed to the motorway at 70+.Suitable supercharger. The eaton one will work but may need a custom pully ($$$), there's some sums to do, someone will be able to help.
New intake manifold - maybe. If you keep the boost low you might get away with the existing plastic one.
Mounting bracket (and any brackets to move existing components mount positions to make room).
Larger injectors. Sums to do to work out the right ones.
Custom remap.
Silicone pipework.
Optional intercooler but you could do the project in stages and do that once it's proven to work.
You'd need to fart about with crankcase breather. Could just be un-green and vent to atmosphere i suppose.
It'd be more expensive than dropping in a bigger engine, but it'd be 10x more fun to drive too.
It'd be a hoot to drive tho plus you don't have the added weight of the bigger engine, also agree about doing it as an on going project gradually adding upgrades as that is when you'll feel the benefits of anything you do e.g get use to it with S/c with out intercooler then add 1 to feal the difference etc this also obviously spreads out the cost rather than having 1 big initial blow.
careful with the silicone pipes as the eaton blower will cause them to crush under vac also you will need a bypass valve and you need to relocate your throttle to before the blower.
KMT will make you a custom pulley for the M45 find him on ebay? or on minitorque
Done a few blower conversions and you can do them for about £1500 upwards maybe cheaper if you can fabricate and weld yourself.
An M45 will be the best because you can get them cheaper, just remember to add a bigger pulley or keep the stock pulley and make the pipework volume bigger. Its a displacement pump so the more volume you have after the blower the lower the pressure as it needs to fill the pipe with air and then compress it before the engine takes it... Merc M45 would be the best as the mini is a faf due to the odd inlet size. Ensure you have a bypass valve and the throttle first.
Quite an easy job, used to make a conversion in about 2 or 3 days, maths is not too hard and I have done it before by trial and error. I will advise again for Corky Bell supercharing book is pure gold and will help you along the way
KMT will make you a custom pulley for the M45 find him on ebay? or on minitorque
Done a few blower conversions and you can do them for about £1500 upwards maybe cheaper if you can fabricate and weld yourself.
An M45 will be the best because you can get them cheaper, just remember to add a bigger pulley or keep the stock pulley and make the pipework volume bigger. Its a displacement pump so the more volume you have after the blower the lower the pressure as it needs to fill the pipe with air and then compress it before the engine takes it... Merc M45 would be the best as the mini is a faf due to the odd inlet size. Ensure you have a bypass valve and the throttle first.
Quite an easy job, used to make a conversion in about 2 or 3 days, maths is not too hard and I have done it before by trial and error. I will advise again for Corky Bell supercharing book is pure gold and will help you along the way
Edited by RKDE on Wednesday 26th January 11:09
RKDE]careful with the silicone pipes as the eaton blower will cause them to crush under vac [footnote]Edited by RKDE on Wednesday 26th January 11:09[/footnote said:
Hard pipe kit would be a worth while investment as on the my step fathers noble a 
has calculated that on a 400-ish bhp Noble you lose approx 20bhp with limitations/restrictions from creasing and crushing boost pipes.Gassing Station | Engines & Drivetrain | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff