would it be fair to say?
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Cant see it myself
Its a quirky 4 door saloon with a big engine that hits a certain niche. No way this (or a Monaro in my view) will ever achieve classic status.
Badge is wrong for starters. You can argue the HSV line but, its a Vauxhall - says so on the V5 - and its never going to have the draw of a classic Fast Ford, Porsche etc. The only way that it could overcome this would be to be an outstanding car in terms of drive, dynamics etc - and it isnt that either. Lets face it, it not really that quick as standard either.
As for an investment, just look at the prices now and wince had you bought one new. I think that the VEs have probably bottomed out and the E3 and VF will hold their values on rarity rather than classic status.
Dont get me wrong, I love my car and wouldnt swap it for the world - but I certainly dont see myself retiring off the back of it in a few years time!
Its a quirky 4 door saloon with a big engine that hits a certain niche. No way this (or a Monaro in my view) will ever achieve classic status.
Badge is wrong for starters. You can argue the HSV line but, its a Vauxhall - says so on the V5 - and its never going to have the draw of a classic Fast Ford, Porsche etc. The only way that it could overcome this would be to be an outstanding car in terms of drive, dynamics etc - and it isnt that either. Lets face it, it not really that quick as standard either.
As for an investment, just look at the prices now and wince had you bought one new. I think that the VEs have probably bottomed out and the E3 and VF will hold their values on rarity rather than classic status.
Dont get me wrong, I love my car and wouldnt swap it for the world - but I certainly dont see myself retiring off the back of it in a few years time!
These things are quite hard to predict obviously, and the Carlton almost proves you can overcome the badge thing (but everyone calls it a Lotus Carlton now so it's OK) but I'm not so sure.
I mean, the Monaro and VXR8 will become classic cars in so far as anything over 20 odd years old is considered a bit 'classic', but will they rise in value? I don't think so. You want a Z3 M Coupe, Clio V6, something like that for an investment you can drive.
I mean, the Monaro and VXR8 will become classic cars in so far as anything over 20 odd years old is considered a bit 'classic', but will they rise in value? I don't think so. You want a Z3 M Coupe, Clio V6, something like that for an investment you can drive.
vxr8jaye said:
Would it be fair to say that the VXR8 when first launched in the UK was an instant modern day classic and still remains so?
Or is it not but given time will become one.
I believe it is a modern day classic car and a future investment, what say you??
Very doubtful , the Lotus/Vauxhall Carlton/Omega was a totally different story & 950 worldwide units will see to that Or is it not but given time will become one.
I believe it is a modern day classic car and a future investment, what say you??
It was a controversy from pre release so straight in the public eye , struggled to sell though
S800VXR said:
Be interesting if Jezz sells his ultra low miles car to see what it gets.
I guess the question is who would buy it? The world of car collectors and the world of Australian muscle car owners are typically inhabited by quite different people I'd say.They are pretty light on depreciation though, so by virtue of being less terrible, it's a good investment compared to, say, something German.
I think "cult following" applies better than a true "classic car". Though given you can find Vauxhall Calibras in classic car magazines, some might disagree with me...
Very few old cars actually appreciate in value. Most prices simply reflect the cost of keeping the car going and looking smart. My VT2 has taught me that rose tinted spectacles don't stop the rust or parts wearing out. If I wanted to bring it up to show standard, it would cost around £20K more than I've spent to date, which I'd never get back when I sold it. Bearing in mind that it's is genuinely a rare car with a proper brand on the V5, it just isn't worth that much.
If you're after a car that is genuinely going to appreciate in value, you need to buy an old Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, etc. Almost everything else will easily cost you as much as it goes up by to keep it on the road (if not more).
Very few old cars actually appreciate in value. Most prices simply reflect the cost of keeping the car going and looking smart. My VT2 has taught me that rose tinted spectacles don't stop the rust or parts wearing out. If I wanted to bring it up to show standard, it would cost around £20K more than I've spent to date, which I'd never get back when I sold it. Bearing in mind that it's is genuinely a rare car with a proper brand on the V5, it just isn't worth that much.
If you're after a car that is genuinely going to appreciate in value, you need to buy an old Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, etc. Almost everything else will easily cost you as much as it goes up by to keep it on the road (if not more).
vxr8jaye said:
Would it be fair to say that the VXR8 when first launched in the UK was an instant modern day classic and still remains so?
Or is it not but given time will become one.
I believe it is a modern day classic car and a future investment, what say you??
No.Or is it not but given time will become one.
I believe it is a modern day classic car and a future investment, what say you??
If you're into bikes, then my take on the Monaro/VXR8 is similar to the Honda RC30/RC45.
The RC30 is legendary. It had a stranglehold on production bike racing because it was such a good bike. The RC45 on paper is better in every respect, but as it was only 'better' rather than 'groundbreaking' it will forever be in the shadow of it's older stablemate.
Same with the Monaro/VXR. The monaro was the first large capacity RHD car readily available in the UK, and grabbed the attention and imagination of petrolheads throughout the country. The VXR8 is better, but will never be as well remembered by the general public. Our VXR8 used to be regularly called a Monaro, and our Ute has even been called a Monaro pick-up.
It could still have investment potential though. Prices have already risen over the past 18 months.
ARAF said:
No.
If you're into bikes, then my take on the Monaro/VXR8 is similar to the Honda RC30/RC45.
The RC30 is legendary. It had a stranglehold on production bike racing because it was such a good bike. The RC45 on paper is better in every respect, but as it was only 'better' rather than 'groundbreaking' it will forever be in the shadow of it's older stablemate.
Same with the Monaro/VXR. The monaro was the first large capacity RHD car readily available in the UK, and grabbed the attention and imagination of petrolheads throughout the country. The VXR8 is better, but will never be as well remembered by the general public. Our VXR8 used to be regularly called a Monaro, and our Ute has even been called a Monaro pick-up.
It could still have investment potential though. Prices have already risen over the past 18 months.
Prices have risen by a small percentage, further up the line some vehicles are commanding 50% more than this time last year ,perfect example Gt3rs 2007/8If you're into bikes, then my take on the Monaro/VXR8 is similar to the Honda RC30/RC45.
The RC30 is legendary. It had a stranglehold on production bike racing because it was such a good bike. The RC45 on paper is better in every respect, but as it was only 'better' rather than 'groundbreaking' it will forever be in the shadow of it's older stablemate.
Same with the Monaro/VXR. The monaro was the first large capacity RHD car readily available in the UK, and grabbed the attention and imagination of petrolheads throughout the country. The VXR8 is better, but will never be as well remembered by the general public. Our VXR8 used to be regularly called a Monaro, and our Ute has even been called a Monaro pick-up.
It could still have investment potential though. Prices have already risen over the past 18 months.
If you compare the Monaro/vxr8 to the rc30 45 ( more Ariel square 4 ) then the Lotus must be a NR750 of its day
raving said:
If you compare the Monaro/vxr8 to the rc30 45 ( more Ariel square 4 ) then the Lotus must be a NR750 of its day
lol. No, comparing the Monaro and the VXR8 is like comparing the RC30 to the RC45. 
As for the NR, I was going to chop my RC45 in for one, but the guy that had the NR750 said the RC45 was a better bike in every way bar the engineering aspect, so I didn't bother.
ARAF said:
lol. No, comparing the Monaro and the VXR8 is like comparing the RC30 to the RC45.
As for the NR, I was going to chop my RC45 in for one, but the guy that had the NR750 said the RC45 was a better bike in every way bar the engineering aspect, so I didn't bother.
I know to a brand new one in Brisbane, in his own private bar under his house with the crate disassembled ,never ran together with the biggest monkey bike collection I ever seen inc a proper Yoshi built one As for the NR, I was going to chop my RC45 in for one, but the guy that had the NR750 said the RC45 was a better bike in every way bar the engineering aspect, so I didn't bother.
raving said:
ARAF said:
lol. No, comparing the Monaro and the VXR8 is like comparing the RC30 to the RC45.
As for the NR, I was going to chop my RC45 in for one, but the guy that had the NR750 said the RC45 was a better bike in every way bar the engineering aspect, so I didn't bother.
I know to a brand new one in Brisbane, in his own private bar under his house with the crate disassembled ,never ran together with the biggest monkey bike collection I ever seen inc a proper Yoshi built one As for the NR, I was going to chop my RC45 in for one, but the guy that had the NR750 said the RC45 was a better bike in every way bar the engineering aspect, so I didn't bother.
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