Dartford crossing - How do they charge foreigners now?
Dartford crossing - How do they charge foreigners now?
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MyM8V8

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9,468 posts

218 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Just registered the company vans for the above and realised that Johnny foreigner might be getting away with it now its all APNR??? All well and good for our number plates but whereas before with the booths they had to cough up to get through.

VinceM

1,906 posts

161 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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I believe they are using European debt collection agencies, however I'm not sure how effective it will be. Don't worry though, the UK users can pay for them!

Winky151

1,275 posts

164 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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I doubt they're bothered about chasing them up as its all profit anyway as the bridge paid for itself years ago. mad

EssexVXR8

1,790 posts

210 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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MyM8V8 said:
Just registered the company vans for the above and realised that Johnny foreigner might be getting away with it now its all APNR??? All well and good for our number plates but whereas before with the booths they had to cough up to get through.
Foreign registered vehicles only have to pay voluntarily, stupidity in its finest !

jameshsv

5,844 posts

183 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Its owned by those spineless fkers the french couldn't fight in ww11 let alone collect any tolls from there European buddieslaugh

Tattooboy

7,946 posts

201 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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They don't, only us mugs pay.

A simple fee at passport control would sort that..........too easy ???

BartW

1,693 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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It's the same way with British drivers getting away with speed camera photos from the Mainland Europe wink

Tattooboy

7,946 posts

201 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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BartW said:
It's the same way with British drivers getting away with speed camera photos from the Mainland Europe wink
Just the same as over here then ?

The point of the toll is to use the bridge/tunnel, not to charge some and not others because of a flawed system!

ARAF

20,759 posts

246 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Tattooboy said:
BartW said:
It's the same way with British drivers getting away with speed camera photos from the Mainland Europe wink
Just the same as over here then ?

The point of the toll is to use the bridge/tunnel, not to charge some and not others because of a flawed system!
Maybe they should put up barriers then?

Tattooboy

7,946 posts

201 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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ARAF said:
Tattooboy said:
BartW said:
It's the same way with British drivers getting away with speed camera photos from the Mainland Europe wink
Just the same as over here then ?

The point of the toll is to use the bridge/tunnel, not to charge some and not others because of a flawed system!
Maybe they should put up barriers then?
No need, just charge a fee at passport control for UK road use, simple.

Pixelpeep7r

8,600 posts

165 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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'The system only punishes those who live by the rules...'

frown

BartW

1,693 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Tattooboy said:
BartW said:
It's the same way with British drivers getting away with speed camera photos from the Mainland Europe wink
Just the same as over here then ?

The point of the toll is to use the bridge/tunnel, not to charge some and not others because of a flawed system!
You sound like you know a solution to it. Do you? Foreign drivers get chased by debt collectors. Or at least they do when it's about Congestion Charging (fact). Do you think going back to toll booths would generate more revenue and keep a poorly flowing traffic free of queues?


Edited by BartW on Wednesday 22 April 21:58

ARAF

20,759 posts

246 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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EssexVXR8 said:
MyM8V8 said:
Just registered the company vans for the above and realised that Johnny foreigner might be getting away with it now its all APNR??? All well and good for our number plates but whereas before with the booths they had to cough up to get through.
Foreign registered vehicles only have to pay voluntarily, stupidity in its finest !
Where did you hear that, as this says different. readit

BBCNews 26th Feb said:
More than 18,000 foreign drivers are being chased by debt collectors after failing to pay at the new cashless Dartford Crossing.
The Highways Agency said 18,716 cases from the first month of the cashless system had been passed to a European debt recovery agency.
A total of 56,408 penalty charges remain unpaid from December.

snowwolf

11,503 posts

198 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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ARAF said:
They have to say that, they would not bother, best to get some French plates made up LOL

BartW

1,693 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Tattooboy said:
ARAF said:
Tattooboy said:
BartW said:
It's the same way with British drivers getting away with speed camera photos from the Mainland Europe wink
Just the same as over here then ?

The point of the toll is to use the bridge/tunnel, not to charge some and not others because of a flawed system!
Maybe they should put up barriers then?
No need, just charge a fee at passport control for UK road use, simple.
Illogical. Would you like to be charged for all of The French motorways (which there are plenty of) just because you wanted to go to Calais market, or use the short and free stretch of the motorway to get to Belgium?

ARAF

20,759 posts

246 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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BartW said:
Tattooboy said:
ARAF said:
Tattooboy said:
BartW said:
It's the same way with British drivers getting away with speed camera photos from the Mainland Europe wink
Just the same as over here then ?

The point of the toll is to use the bridge/tunnel, not to charge some and not others because of a flawed system!
Maybe they should put up barriers then?
No need, just charge a fee at passport control for UK road use, simple.
Illogical. Would you like to be charged for all of The French motorways (which there are plenty of) just because you wanted to go to Calais market, or use the short and free stretch of the motorway to get to Belgium?
It happens to the foreign lorries in the UK now. £10 per day in the UK.

Tattooboy

7,946 posts

201 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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BartW said:
Tattooboy said:
ARAF said:
Tattooboy said:
BartW said:
It's the same way with British drivers getting away with speed camera photos from the Mainland Europe wink
Just the same as over here then ?

The point of the toll is to use the bridge/tunnel, not to charge some and not others because of a flawed system!
Maybe they should put up barriers then?
No need, just charge a fee at passport control for UK road use, simple.
Illogical. Would you like to be charged for all of The French motorways (which there are plenty of) just because you wanted to go to Calais market, or use the short and free stretch of the motorway to get to Belgium?
Blimey, do you work for the Gov by chance??

If ANPR is so bloody clever, link up a system to ports and when a reg pings up for using the crossing, charge them,there, a simple solution, sorted.

Computers, marvellous things.

BartW

1,693 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Tattooboy said:
Blimey, do you work for the Gov by chance??

If ANPR is so bloody clever, link up a system to ports and when a reg pings up for using the crossing, charge them,there, a simple solution, sorted.

Computers, marvellous things.
No, not for them. Now you are talking about whole new infrastructure, people training, systems and procedures, appeals, complaints facilities etc which would probably outweigh the profitability of the former. Which leads to a conclusion that chasing through debt collection agencies is pure profit at minimum cost to the pursuing party. It's not as simple as just plugging a cable in.


BartW

1,693 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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ARAF said:
BartW said:
Tattooboy said:
ARAF said:
Tattooboy said:
BartW said:
It's the same way with British drivers getting away with speed camera photos from the Mainland Europe wink
Just the same as over here then ?

The point of the toll is to use the bridge/tunnel, not to charge some and not others because of a flawed system!
Maybe they should put up barriers then?
No need, just charge a fee at passport control for UK road use, simple.
Illogical. Would you like to be charged for all of The French motorways (which there are plenty of) just because you wanted to go to Calais market, or use the short and free stretch of the motorway to get to Belgium?
It happens to the foreign lorries in the UK now. £10 per day in the UK.
Which is fair, as they are here purely for the commercial reasons. I think Germany are introducing a similar system as of 2016, where you just buy like a 10day, monthly or a yearly pass to use the motorways. Everyone pays and the German citizens will have the cost offset when pay their VED.

ARAF

20,759 posts

246 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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BartW said:
Which is fair, as they are here purely for the commercial reasons. I think Germany are introducing a similar system as of 2016, where you just buy like a 10day, monthly or a yearly pass to use the motorways. Everyone pays and the German citizens will have the cost offset when pay their VED.
Yes, a great vote winner in the 'them and us' argument, but I think that statistically on 3% of vehicles on British roads are foreign, you have to wonder how much is being gathered, and how much is just being trousered by the agencies set up to collect on behalf of the gov.

The Swiss have been charging everyone for their motorways (including nationals) for years. (Not sure if it's the same now, but) It used to be that once they have raised enough for the next year's road building budget, the motorway network was free for all - usually from about September. Why countries won't put the tax on fuel, I don't know.