Intercoolers

[VXR_Daz]

With more HSV/Monaro owners going down the route of forced induction, is it feasible for one of the tuners/manufacturers around here to start marketing intercoolers?

Where have owners been getting theirs from?

Oh, and lastly, anyone have an idea on cost?

[Le Sarthe]

I believe the suppliers of Fi applications do offer intercooler options maybe Wortec et al could provid ean overview of wht teh options are, how much and what the difference makes.

[SS HSV]

Of those of you that have the Harrop installation without the charge-cooler, am I correct in the assumption that the water to air inter-cooler is integral to the s/c as part of the basic kit but just not plumbed in to the front inter-cooler?

Also I keeping having this mad idea to connect the air-con circuit to an intercooler to charge-cool the air; is this feasable or would the power needed by the air-con outweigh any performance gains due to losses by the s/c?

[boosted Ls1]

SS HSV said:

Also I keeping having this mad idea to connect the air-con circuit to an intercooler to charge-cool the air; is this feasable or would the power needed by the air-con outweigh any performance gains due to losses by the s/c?

I've given this a lot of thought to. It would be obstructive off boost so I'd try a big core with elements spaced wide apart. Or, maybe it would be better to introduce the chilled air into the inlet tract when required. Now there's a thought

Boosted.

[bovered79]

Come on Daz you just want a dumb valve dont ya so every time you change gear you can hear a loud voice saying "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME "........lol

[VXR_Daz]

bovered79 said:

Come on Daz you just want a dumb valve dont ya so every time you change gear you can hear a loud voice saying "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME "........lol

Been there, done that, got the headache

Besides, I haven't got any reason for a dump valve....

[VXR_Daz]

boosted Ls1 said:

SS HSV said:

Also I keeping having this mad idea to connect the air-con circuit to an intercooler to charge-cool the air; is this feasable or would the power needed by the air-con outweigh any performance gains due to losses by the s/c?

I've given this a lot of thought to. It would be obstructive off boost so I'd try a big core with elements spaced wide apart. Or, maybe it would be better to introduce the chilled air into the inlet tract when required. Now there's a thought

Boosted.

When I understand this I will come back to you on it!

[bovered79]

Thats what they all say dont think you can loose the CHAV that easy...

[stigcv8]

call me sad if you must but I love BOV/DV's kkksssssssssssss tweet tweet

Love the sound! I also love propperly set up neons - I fancy an LED set up

[SS HSV]

boosted Ls1 said:

SS HSV said:

Also I keeping having this mad idea to connect the air-con circuit to an intercooler to charge-cool the air; is this feasable or would the power needed by the air-con outweigh any performance gains due to losses by the s/c?

I've given this a lot of thought to. It would be obstructive off boost so I'd try a big core with elements spaced wide apart. Or, maybe it would be better to introduce the chilled air into the inlet tract when required. Now there's a thought

Boosted.

Thats exactly what I mean, so the cool air comes from the A/C and is fed into the intercooler where it will hopefully keep the intercooler ice cold.. there must be a reason that no-one has done it yet as its such a simple idea.

[L2VXR]

[quote=stigcv8]
call me sad if you must but I love BOV/DV's kkksssssssssssss tweet tweet
Love the sound! I also love propperly set up neons - I fancy an LED set up

you may like this then
[url]www.potn.co.uk/-_c5211_6366_p1617000.htm[/url]
watch the demo video Sooooo funny

[phrich]

There is a commodore in Aus that has a boot full of liquid nitrogen that cools the induction air.
Don't try that at home. I will try and find a video.

[V8HSV]

stigcv8 said:

call me sad if you must but I love BOV/DV's kkksssssssssssss tweet tweet

Love the sound! I also love propperly set up neons - I fancy an LED set up

My wastegate in conjunction with PiperX Venom induction makes more noise than a pesky DV on my smart, the HSV has 2 BOV's that are quiet, always fancied pistion type DV's though, I have green underbody neons on the HSV but not the smart as you can see the tubes. Possibly too old for this sort of thing but WTF LOL

Edited by V8HSV on Monday 20th November 11:36

[stigcv8]

that dump valve simulator is genious - I'm thinking of ordering one

with regards to the neons, no one is ever too old for class. I love neons and want them

[eliot]

SS HSV said:

boosted Ls1 said:

SS HSV said:

Also I keeping having this mad idea to connect the air-con circuit to an intercooler to charge-cool the air; is this feasable or would the power needed by the air-con outweigh any performance gains due to losses by the s/c?

I've given this a lot of thought to. It would be obstructive off boost so I'd try a big core with elements spaced wide apart. Or, maybe it would be better to introduce the chilled air into the inlet tract when required. Now there's a thought

Boosted.

Thats exactly what I mean, so the cool air comes from the A/C and is fed into the intercooler where it will hopefully keep the intercooler ice cold.. there must be a reason that no-one has done it yet as its such a simple idea.

Its been discussed on varous forums, Ford (i believe) has a patent on it - it doesn't work very well unless you have a chargecooler and a reasonable quantity of water - which acts as a reservoir and a heatsink for when you get back on boost.

[SS HSV]

Thanks for that Eliot. So Ford has a Patent? but I thought of it first

[eliot]

Here's the thread:
www.turbomustangs.com/smf/index.php?topic=59361.0

And a little more searching finds this:
www.fordforums.com/showthread.php?p=360686#post360686

Edited by eliot on Tuesday 21st November 07:05

[boosted Ls1]

SS HSV said:

boosted Ls1 said:

SS HSV said:

Also I keeping having this mad idea to connect the air-con circuit to an intercooler to charge-cool the air; is this feasable or would the power needed by the air-con outweigh any performance gains due to losses by the s/c?

I've given this a lot of thought to. It would be obstructive off boost so I'd try a big core with elements spaced wide apart. Or, maybe it would be better to introduce the chilled air into the inlet tract when required. Now there's a thought

Boosted.

Thats exactly what I mean, so the cool air comes from the A/C and is fed into the intercooler where it will hopefully keep the intercooler ice cold.. there must be a reason that no-one has done it yet as its such a simple idea.

You may have misunderstood me. I was thinking of having an aircon system as normal. Then using a valve to divert the chilled air into the throttle inlet tract for metering as normal. This way you get to keep a normal functioning a/c system that's switchable when you want to hammer the engine. I doubt that could be patented and even if it was it would be a diy proposition

Boosted.

[SS HSV]

eliot said:

Here's the thread:
www.turbomustangs.com/smf/index.php?topic=59361.0

And a little more searching finds this:
www.fordforums.com/showthread.php?p=360686#post360686

Edited by eliot on Tuesday 21st November 07:05

Thanks for the links Eliot Just what I wanted to read.

boosted Ls1 said:

SS HSV said:

boosted Ls1 said:

SS HSV said:

Also I keeping having this mad idea to connect the air-con circuit to an intercooler to charge-cool the air; is this feasable or would the power needed by the air-con outweigh any performance gains due to losses by the s/c?

I've given this a lot of thought to. It would be obstructive off boost so I'd try a big core with elements spaced wide apart. Or, maybe it would be better to introduce the chilled air into the inlet tract when required. Now there's a thought

Boosted.

Thats exactly what I mean, so the cool air comes from the A/C and is fed into the intercooler where it will hopefully keep the intercooler ice cold.. there must be a reason that no-one has done it yet as its such a simple idea.

You may have misunderstood me. I was thinking of having an aircon system as normal. Then using a valve to divert the chilled air into the throttle inlet tract for metering as normal. This way you get to keep a normal functioning a/c system that's switchable when you want to hammer the engine. I doubt that could be patented and even if it was it would be a diy proposition

Boosted.

No, I was still having the same train of thought but after reading the above Ford threads, it seems that it is a dangerous idea as the AC causes highly toxic gases to be emitted if leaked from the system which when burnt. These gases cannot be dealt with by the body and so the toxins are ever present - like lead poisoning as I understand it.

I was thinking along the lines of a large diverter flappy paddle valve which switched a/c into the air filter box. The problem is that looking at the cfm that is flowed on an engine dyno, a conventional a/c system would only be able to add a small percentage of cold air in relation to the total amount needed by the engine on boost.

Maybe a 3 gallon tank in the boot (like an ali dry-sump tank?) with an insulated jacket around it, and an underfloor mounted transmission cooler, in the air path, fed by a high speed electronic waterpump and the cold air divert valve at the front would increase the ability to advance ignition timing and power?

The Ford Supercooler setup on a standard 5.4l engine on standard boost produces an extra 50-60 hopsepower. That's a noticeable jump. On a 6.0 litre motor running a little more boost it may be possible to see another 100hp - if so this is beginning to look viable.

[eliot]

I think we are gliding off-topic here, but I will be re-experimenting with the big water tank concept this weekend now that Ive got a better pump and have made my intercooler more efficient. The idea is to find out the sweet spot in terms of water quantity Vs heat-rise.