A Close Call with Goodyear
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Left my home in North Wales to take my mum to Ikea in Warrington this morning. After driving for about half an hour on the A55, I noticed that the normal steering wheel shudder I get with Goodyear Eagle's on the front at around 60 mph was slowly getting worse. As I was in the overtaking lane going round a righthand turn I first heard a noise......and a thick black line in my rear view mirror followed by a major shuddering on the steering wheel. Knowing I had a puncture I pulled onto the hard shoulder and found my driver side front tyre completley flat and almost off the rim. After a while jacking the car up and changing to the spare, I was thankfully not very far away from Slater's of Colwyn Bay (where I bought the car in January). As I limped over I was told by the not very helpful lady on the service desk that they didn't have the tyre in stock and asked me to go to the National tyre place down the road.
As me and the mechanic looked closly at the tyre we could see that the inner rim of the tyre near the sidewall had completely worn down to the wire. I'd never noticed this as it was right on the inside of the tyre. Upon looking at the passenger side front wheel, that too was worn down to the wire and it was a miracle that that hadn't shredded too.
The Goodyear's were fitted brand new when I bought the car in January and i'd read other posts about vibrations people were getting with them fitted to the front.
Now is it just me being uncareless and not checking the inside of the tyres regulary, or is it maybe i've hit a speed bump the wrong way that it maybe knocked the tracking out of place, or is it maybe that when Slater's fitted them when I bought the car that they didn't track the car properly?
I've had Avons fitted to the front and the car is getting checked and aligned tommorow.
Any else had a similar incident or have I just started a mass tyre check for all the owners of Goodyear Eagles?
As me and the mechanic looked closly at the tyre we could see that the inner rim of the tyre near the sidewall had completely worn down to the wire. I'd never noticed this as it was right on the inside of the tyre. Upon looking at the passenger side front wheel, that too was worn down to the wire and it was a miracle that that hadn't shredded too.
The Goodyear's were fitted brand new when I bought the car in January and i'd read other posts about vibrations people were getting with them fitted to the front.
Now is it just me being uncareless and not checking the inside of the tyres regulary, or is it maybe i've hit a speed bump the wrong way that it maybe knocked the tracking out of place, or is it maybe that when Slater's fitted them when I bought the car that they didn't track the car properly?
I've had Avons fitted to the front and the car is getting checked and aligned tommorow.
Any else had a similar incident or have I just started a mass tyre check for all the owners of Goodyear Eagles?
I had the same problem with Eagles on my last car a BMW M5, they went right through to the wire. I would say a combination of a poor tyre design and your steering not alligned correctly. You were lucky... A warning to us all to check our tyres frequently, tyres do not wear to this state overnight!
My GTS has this, I discovered it while on holiday. Nearly new F1's chewed completely on the inside. Roger's sorted it on my car, but apparently a lot of them do this. No idea if it's tyre-specific though. Your experience sounds nasty, glad you got out of it OK. Must get my fronts done soon.
I know this has been posted before along time ago
www.autoblog.com/tag/GtoTires/
does any body know if it affected any UK cars?
www.autoblog.com/tag/GtoTires/
does any body know if it affected any UK cars?
Edited by L2VXR on Monday 13th August 22:48
L2VXR said:
I know this has been posted before along time ago
http://www.autoblog.com/tag/GtoTires/
does any body know if it affected any UK cars?
I suggest the above posts say it does. I wouldn't be quick to slate the Good years, its an issue with tyres wearing against the strut, Ive used F1's for years with no probs.http://www.autoblog.com/tag/GtoTires/
does any body know if it affected any UK cars?
Edited by L2VXR on Monday 13th August 22:48
Your not alone,this is the original left front Bridgestone RE030, 10k miles from new.Check out how much tread is remaining to the rest of the tyre!
The same was starting to happen on a set of S03's which are now being replaced by F1's.
I must confess,being a work hack,I haven't invested time as to why VX's to VZ's are prone to this,but am told by my tyre guy's this is a problem they see more often than not,they have also found away of adjusting the non adjustable camber settings.
I'm having the car serviced by Holden on Friday and will see if I get anything out of them and will post if anyones interested.
The same was starting to happen on a set of S03's which are now being replaced by F1's.
I must confess,being a work hack,I haven't invested time as to why VX's to VZ's are prone to this,but am told by my tyre guy's this is a problem they see more often than not,they have also found away of adjusting the non adjustable camber settings.
I'm having the car serviced by Holden on Friday and will see if I get anything out of them and will post if anyones interested.
v8sag said:
Your not alone,this is the original left front Bridgestone RE030, 10k miles from new.Check out how much tread is remaining to the rest of the tyre!
The same was starting to happen on a set of S03's which are now being replaced by F1's.
I must confess,being a work hack,I haven't invested time as to why VX's to VZ's are prone to this,but am told by my tyre guy's this is a problem they see more often than not,they have also found away of adjusting the non adjustable camber settings.
I'm having the car serviced by Holden on Friday and will see if I get anything out of them and will post if anyones interested.
The front camber is adjustable on the Monaro, but not the rearThe same was starting to happen on a set of S03's which are now being replaced by F1's.
I must confess,being a work hack,I haven't invested time as to why VX's to VZ's are prone to this,but am told by my tyre guy's this is a problem they see more often than not,they have also found away of adjusting the non adjustable camber settings.
I'm having the car serviced by Holden on Friday and will see if I get anything out of them and will post if anyones interested.
Gelf VXR said:
v8sag said:
Your not alone,this is the original left front Bridgestone RE030, 10k miles from new.Check out how much tread is remaining to the rest of the tyre!
The same was starting to happen on a set of S03's which are now being replaced by F1's.
I must confess,being a work hack,I haven't invested time as to why VX's to VZ's are prone to this,but am told by my tyre guy's this is a problem they see more often than not,they have also found away of adjusting the non adjustable camber settings.
I'm having the car serviced by Holden on Friday and will see if I get anything out of them and will post if anyones interested.
The front camber is adjustable on the Monaro, but not the rearThe same was starting to happen on a set of S03's which are now being replaced by F1's.
I must confess,being a work hack,I haven't invested time as to why VX's to VZ's are prone to this,but am told by my tyre guy's this is a problem they see more often than not,they have also found away of adjusting the non adjustable camber settings.
I'm having the car serviced by Holden on Friday and will see if I get anything out of them and will post if anyones interested.
Spoke to wheel alignment man who used to set up all Holdens at a large dealership, and it appears (in my case)they run out of adjustment when lowered,the toe angle through lets say "spirited driving" starts excessive scrub to the inside edge causing the rapid wear.
Has you car been lowered Redbarron?
If memory serves me correctly this has been a regular issue in the past - car related rather than tyre manufacturer related as tracking seems to go off over time - and was discussed some time back - have been keeping a regular eye on mine which are Bridgestones and after just shy of 10k miles the insides are worn and will shortly due for replacement. Had the tracking done when I fitted the last set and all seemed fine for a while but they have probably started wearing in the last 3k miles or so - unfortunately despite regular checks, seems I didn't quite spot in in time and I think the issue started during the course of a 600 mile trip one weekend.
These are entirely alignment based issues. If your alignment is correct, then your tyres will wear evenly.
However, the correct alignment for an individual car may not neccesarily be the manufacturers quoted figures. Various factors will influence this not least of which is lowering your car!
Wear on the inner edges at the front is very common on monaro caused partly by the large bushes in the front of the subframe allowing considerable movement, especially under braking. This can be compensated for within the factory settings, by going to the outer end of the tolerance range on toe setting, but our Road Response Pac helps significantly to reduce this movement. Set up correctly you will also benefit from improved turn-in.
The symptoms described earlier in the thread are alignment based. I suggest you have a full alignment check done as soon as possible to ensure it is not repeated!
However, the correct alignment for an individual car may not neccesarily be the manufacturers quoted figures. Various factors will influence this not least of which is lowering your car!
Wear on the inner edges at the front is very common on monaro caused partly by the large bushes in the front of the subframe allowing considerable movement, especially under braking. This can be compensated for within the factory settings, by going to the outer end of the tolerance range on toe setting, but our Road Response Pac helps significantly to reduce this movement. Set up correctly you will also benefit from improved turn-in.
The symptoms described earlier in the thread are alignment based. I suggest you have a full alignment check done as soon as possible to ensure it is not repeated!
dont know what everyones worried about!
i had a integrale with such wild negative camber it used to eat toyos in 2k miles on the inner edge.
went around corners fantastic however ;-)
yep as roger has stated - alignment -
lowering without re alignment is a school boy error - increases negative camber
depending on type of useage - ie if you want good turn in grip opposed to tyre wear and straight line stability - you sometimes have to put up with strange tyre wear rates.
on the hsv i have no problems on tyre wear - all even - but set up for road oppopsed to track - work out how you want it to perform and what type of driving you do and get it aligned to suit.
i had the old porsche re aligned at ninemiesters in warrington (expensive but good) as they can do kinematic toe / corner weights etc if you have adjustable platforms etc (dont think its that critical on a monaro however)
as for how often to get aligned - i'd say get it done once then just monitor the wear.
i'm hopefully fitting new lower bushes / tie rod bushes next week so will end up getting the tracking done again i imagine.
marc
i had a integrale with such wild negative camber it used to eat toyos in 2k miles on the inner edge.
went around corners fantastic however ;-)
yep as roger has stated - alignment -
lowering without re alignment is a school boy error - increases negative camber
depending on type of useage - ie if you want good turn in grip opposed to tyre wear and straight line stability - you sometimes have to put up with strange tyre wear rates.
on the hsv i have no problems on tyre wear - all even - but set up for road oppopsed to track - work out how you want it to perform and what type of driving you do and get it aligned to suit.
i had the old porsche re aligned at ninemiesters in warrington (expensive but good) as they can do kinematic toe / corner weights etc if you have adjustable platforms etc (dont think its that critical on a monaro however)
as for how often to get aligned - i'd say get it done once then just monitor the wear.
i'm hopefully fitting new lower bushes / tie rod bushes next week so will end up getting the tracking done again i imagine.
marc
redbarron84 said:
Ok, had the 'ro checked today with this fantsatic garage called RSE Motorsport in Llandudno.
The right front camber was a full degree and 11` out whilst the left front was pretty much in line.
Both toe's were also way out by around half a degree.
how much did they charge for the set up? did they do it while you waited? i often work in llandudno so may give them a tryThe right front camber was a full degree and 11` out whilst the left front was pretty much in line.
Both toe's were also way out by around half a degree.
marcevo1 said:
how much did they charge for the set up? did they do it while you waited? i often work in llandudno so may give them a try
Yeah, the kit they have is second to none although it was on the pricey side. 80 quid to be exact.They did it while I waited although we had to wait a while for the correct alignments to come through to their computer as they've never had a 'ro on there before.
Seeing the Supra they have in the workshop was a bonus too.
Are you talking about the Metallic Purple/blue'ish Supra? They were aiming at getting it to 1000bhp last time I was there (nearly 18 months or so ago with a freinds Celica GT). The cars they service there esp the Skylines are truly awesome.
I've never consisdered them before as they always seemed to lean more towards the Jap cars but they do seem to have a really good reputation. I'll swing by on Saturday to cost out servicing as it's only 10min away from home.
I've never consisdered them before as they always seemed to lean more towards the Jap cars but they do seem to have a really good reputation. I'll swing by on Saturday to cost out servicing as it's only 10min away from home.
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