Your comments on this would be appreciated.
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Having a lovely chat with our Advanced friends regarding smoothing out corners on a public road and have been presented with this as an example of good safe driving......
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DitlDt4Kj1w
Would be intereseted on how you guys view this, it`s not a hoon for a few mins this is considered to be safe everyday driving.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DitlDt4Kj1w
Would be intereseted on how you guys view this, it`s not a hoon for a few mins this is considered to be safe everyday driving.
Edited by crisisjez on Thursday 10th July 10:40
Surely that's gotta be a subjective statement and not the consensus of every advance driving instructor and the Bill????
People who drive like that normally have disco lights flashing on top of the car???
I hate having to give way on round-abouts to people who don't indicate or go straight across from the left-turn lane (undertaking, overtaking and generally drifting from lane to lane). If they aint indicating a left turn, they must be going straight, but then again, lots of people who turn left don't indicate either. So you either need to read their mind or give way to everything assuming they'll do what you don't expect. This is turning into a rant, sorry...
People who drive like that normally have disco lights flashing on top of the car???
I hate having to give way on round-abouts to people who don't indicate or go straight across from the left-turn lane (undertaking, overtaking and generally drifting from lane to lane). If they aint indicating a left turn, they must be going straight, but then again, lots of people who turn left don't indicate either. So you either need to read their mind or give way to everything assuming they'll do what you don't expect. This is turning into a rant, sorry...
i wouldnt class this as safe everyday driving more than a few times the driver ignores the rules for using roundabouts ignoring the clearly marked lanes and contantly cutting across them ,not a capital offence i know but you couldnt hold this footage up and say this is how you should drive everyday i mean in heavy traffic it be a bit dangerous to drive like that , just my 2pence worth anyhow
Can't see any problem with it myself, using all of the road is the safe way to drive providing it doesn't cause a problem with other users of course.
As for "clearly marked lanes" and roundabout rules, well they're broken lines for a start so no problem with crossing them, and what exactly are roundabout rules?? Nothing in the highway code that I know that says you can't straightline them if required.
I would do exactly the same if on a clear road (as per the vid), when it's busy, obviously you stay in lane, but in my opinion sticking religously to 'lane rules' when on a clear road shows a clear lack of how to drive smoothly and safely..
As for "clearly marked lanes" and roundabout rules, well they're broken lines for a start so no problem with crossing them, and what exactly are roundabout rules?? Nothing in the highway code that I know that says you can't straightline them if required.
I would do exactly the same if on a clear road (as per the vid), when it's busy, obviously you stay in lane, but in my opinion sticking religously to 'lane rules' when on a clear road shows a clear lack of how to drive smoothly and safely..
That is such bad practice on a roundabout, down twisty roads when all is clear is fine and quite safe when travelling quickly.
My property backs onto to what is known by the MOT as the most congested dual carrigeway in England, and this behaviour is very very common these days and leads to at least one bad accident a day.
Not only does this frustrate other motorists trying to join the roundabout as chummy cuts right in front of them at 60-70 mph. Also chummy who does this in the wet always comes unstuck as they bounce over the adverse camber while leaving the roundabout to re join the dual carridgeway. What normally happens is the rear wheel drives oversteer and go off on the nearside straight into the lamp post, and the front wheel drives go straight on into the center reservation and into the Armco.
As it is now a daily feature here I don't even bother to look up at the sound of crunching metal and the sound of the meat wagon coming to take them away!
The only good thing is now that when these people take out the road furniture they get a bill to replace it!
So in answer to your question Jez, No, that is very bad practice!
My property backs onto to what is known by the MOT as the most congested dual carrigeway in England, and this behaviour is very very common these days and leads to at least one bad accident a day.
Not only does this frustrate other motorists trying to join the roundabout as chummy cuts right in front of them at 60-70 mph. Also chummy who does this in the wet always comes unstuck as they bounce over the adverse camber while leaving the roundabout to re join the dual carridgeway. What normally happens is the rear wheel drives oversteer and go off on the nearside straight into the lamp post, and the front wheel drives go straight on into the center reservation and into the Armco.
As it is now a daily feature here I don't even bother to look up at the sound of crunching metal and the sound of the meat wagon coming to take them away!
The only good thing is now that when these people take out the road furniture they get a bill to replace it!
So in answer to your question Jez, No, that is very bad practice!
Given the lane markings, and volume of traffic present, I'd also say that is dodgy driving.
people find roundabouts tricky enough at times, and have no concept of what indicators are for....so to then find someone driving in such a manner around them....would totally confuse them !!
OK for unmarked roundabouts, with no other traffic present, but in that video...not good.
I assume its a cop driving ?? Most of them are totally crap.
people find roundabouts tricky enough at times, and have no concept of what indicators are for....so to then find someone driving in such a manner around them....would totally confuse them !!
OK for unmarked roundabouts, with no other traffic present, but in that video...not good.
I assume its a cop driving ?? Most of them are totally crap.
Smooth drive, good gear changes, good observations but let down by the lack of indicator use on some of the roundabouts when his road position (which is no issue) sent out the wrong signal as to the direction he would be going. If you are going to use the whole roundabout then you have to make sure you are indicating for other road users.
8-9 out of 10.
Caveat being I cannot see everything that he driver sees as the camera angle is restrictive so I am assuming no-one is off camera slamming on anchors etc.
8-9 out of 10.
Caveat being I cannot see everything that he driver sees as the camera angle is restrictive so I am assuming no-one is off camera slamming on anchors etc.
Monnington said:
Can't see any problem with it myself, using all of the road is the safe way to drive providing it doesn't cause a problem with other users of course.
As for "clearly marked lanes" and roundabout rules, well they're broken lines for a start so no problem with crossing them, and what exactly are roundabout rules?? Nothing in the highway code that I know that says you can't straightline them if required.
I would do exactly the same if on a clear road (as per the vid), when it's busy, obviously you stay in lane, but in my opinion sticking religously to 'lane rules' when on a clear road shows a clear lack of how to drive smoothly and safely..
As for "clearly marked lanes" and roundabout rules, well they're broken lines for a start so no problem with crossing them, and what exactly are roundabout rules?? Nothing in the highway code that I know that says you can't straightline them if required.
I would do exactly the same if on a clear road (as per the vid), when it's busy, obviously you stay in lane, but in my opinion sticking religously to 'lane rules' when on a clear road shows a clear lack of how to drive smoothly and safely..
I agree totally. There wasn't much traffic about. If you look carefully there was no other traffic approaching from his/her right actually on the roundabout. He/she kept speed up on approach and was able to use the speed to enter the roundabout completely safely. Hopefully the driver was indicating where appropriate. The only slightly dodgy thing was undertaking the learner, but I think it was close enough to the roundabout to be justified particularly as the learner was indicating.
If more people did this and didn't automatically slow down to very low speeds at give way signs on roundabouts it would stop some queues building up in the first place. Once you have a queue it will be there for some time.
I acually thought he could have been a bit quicker, as long as it was inside the speed limit of course.
bells V8 said:
This is safe driving.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kzuCYGZouP0http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftmbbe2rYTE
Smooth drive, good power, let down by the lack of use of indicator to let those not sure where your road position means you are going.http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kzuCYGZouP0http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftmbbe2rYTEOn the whole 8/9 out of 10....
Was that me driving? - I could point to the driver's line/exit point as the video played.
Nothing wrong either lawfully or common sense wise with that style of driving.
With ONE condition, you do not cauase others to change direction or speed by your actions.
on an empty road fine, with alot of traffic I would say could be dangerous - not to you but others not anticipating your driving line.
A while back one member quoted his instructor as saying (don't quote me on this) "it's not speed that causes accidents but proximatey"
I couldn't agree more. Its hard to crash into another car if you are nowhere near it!
Nothing wrong either lawfully or common sense wise with that style of driving.
With ONE condition, you do not cauase others to change direction or speed by your actions.
on an empty road fine, with alot of traffic I would say could be dangerous - not to you but others not anticipating your driving line.
A while back one member quoted his instructor as saying (don't quote me on this) "it's not speed that causes accidents but proximatey"
I couldn't agree more. Its hard to crash into another car if you are nowhere near it!
its quiet, he is not causing any obstruction he is using teh road to its fullest without being a danger to others. Nothing wrong at all with straightening roundabouts if you are not going to obstruct/block/cause others to take avoidance.
I am sure during a rush hour or busier times the driver does not do that.
The initial over take was sighted and then taken safely. What are your views?
I am sure during a rush hour or busier times the driver does not do that.
The initial over take was sighted and then taken safely. What are your views?
bells V8 said:
This is safe driving.http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kzuCYGZouP0http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftmbbe2rYTE
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