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mobile01

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470 posts

230 months

Friday 24th October 2008
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right i have been convinced for a while now that the ro is running a tad too rich but havent had the chance to give it a decent run. filled up and reset trip computer. straight on to the motorway for a non stop 86mile trip to alton towers. steady 70 ish plus or minus 10 or 20 ish. then once on the a roads driving like a judge cruising in 6th at the earliest opportunity (boring driving). fuel computer made 24.7mpg for the all round trip. now to me that seems a bit low considering i didnt have any fun. Have replaced lambda sensors recently thinking this maybe the issue but no difference noticed, any ideas.

Gas_Man

794 posts

227 months

Friday 24th October 2008
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Good Lord!
If ever I saw the top side of 20mpg I'd probably have a heart attack!
My average fluctuates between 14 and 18.

mobile01

Original Poster:

470 posts

230 months

Friday 24th October 2008
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mines normally the same mate 14 to 16 max but this trip was mostly motorway and me attempting to get a good figure, a challenge i know but thought i might get it to 30 or should do if all is ok, or was i being a bit opptamistic with the challenge target

Raggyman

2,317 posts

266 months

Friday 24th October 2008
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Don't know if you can do it on the later monaro's but you can get it to redo the fuel. I know this atleast works on VT/VX models.

Get the car up to full operating temperature. (very important)

There is a fuse for the ECU in the engine bay.


Turn key on, so that the lights on the dash light up
Turn off airconditioning.
Pull the fuse out (think it is a 10A fuse but could be wrong)
Poke your head inside the cab
Wait until you hear a chime
Turn the key to the off position
Put the fuse back in
Start the car up and let it idle for around 5-10 minutes.
You should hear the engine changing sounds, ie running lean, then a bit better.
If the engine stops, just restart it.

Should then get everything running as it should be.

Gas_Man

794 posts

227 months

Friday 24th October 2008
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I once carried out a similar test, but without resetting. I got my overall average to a shade over 20. I was happy enough with that.

Paul.H.

510 posts

239 months

Friday 24th October 2008
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I managed 34.4mpg but that was on a longer trip (300 miles) then your 86 - however, I've just been home for 12 days & I got it to stay around 24/25 mpg running about but, then again, I do live in N Wales & Mr Brunstroms boys make life pretty boring on the local roads!! irked

MyM8V8

9,468 posts

218 months

Friday 24th October 2008
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mobile01 said:
right i have been convinced for a while now that the ro is running a tad too rich but havent had the chance to give it a decent run. filled up and reset trip computer. straight on to the motorway for a non stop 86mile trip to alton towers. steady 70 ish plus or minus 10 or 20 ish. then once on the a roads driving like a judge cruising in 6th at the earliest opportunity (boring driving). fuel computer made 24.7mpg for the all round trip. now to me that seems a bit low considering i didnt have any fun. Have replaced lambda sensors recently thinking this maybe the issue but no difference noticed, any ideas.
Lamda sensors don't last forever. However, if the motor is running rich, it is because the ECM (cars computer) is telling the injectors to add fuel, possibly as a result of seeing a lean situation.

The advice given before cancels out the fuel trim information which the ECM uses (amongst a load of other things) to determine the amount of fuel, obviously. This means it starts fueling the car with a clean sheet. As time goes on it will eventually account for whatever situation you have and you could end up being rich again. Being able to log events with the right equipment helps.

One example of going rich could be if you had a leak in the exhaust manifold. The O2 sensors would read this extra o2 in the exhaust as a lean mixture and compensate accordingly.

Hopefully someone else with more knowledge than me, can help out here with some other ideas.

ringram

14,701 posts

271 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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My vxr8 averages 24.3mpg that includes my multiple foray's to the drag strips.
I do however do quite a few motorway miles, but thats an overall mix including getting to and from everywhere via inner london.

Thats with a mafless tune and some fuel taken out at WOT plus adjustments to power enrichment triggers so it doesnt dump a rich mixture in for zero reason at all, which its wont to do in the stock configuration.

caspy

1,791 posts

259 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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Fuel computers can go wrong, maybe worth doing a manual check instead just to eliminate.

Stigmundfreud

22,454 posts

233 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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fuel consumption can go up as well as down

IF worried get an LC-1 or WB installed and monitor your AFR.

crisisjez

9,209 posts

228 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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If you`re NA that sounds about right, FI seem`s to have the edge with regard to economy.

kjmac

561 posts

256 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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On my 12 mile each way daily commute which includes probably 20% heavy traffic and the rest clear national limit roads I get just over 20mpg.

My best was 29.7mpg on a 300 mile motorway trip. On long trips I normally get over 26 or 27mpg, I'd consider anything less to be quite poor. This all includes having some fun too.

On a hoon I might see 18/19mpg average. Hooning aside, I've not averaged < 20mpg over a whole tank since I got the car a year ago (6L VXR btw).

Edit: No FI over here sadly.

Edited by kjmac on Saturday 25th October 13:34

anonymous-user

77 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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LS1 supercharged gave an average of 18mpg. I'm sure it will be better with the 6.3L installed

ringram

14,701 posts

271 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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Im guessing right foot syndrome is responsible for most issues smile

If you take it real easy on the motorway and cant crack 20mph easy, then you probably have some sort of issue, whether it be dirty filters, bad o2's, exhaust leak, dodgy plugs etc.


S600VXR

5,877 posts

223 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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Mid 20's aint to bad, mine on with FI will do high 20's if your sensible but as already stated the FI setups seem to do more MPG unless WOT.

mobile01

Original Poster:

470 posts

230 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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well by consensus i think my economy is ok so i can get it back down to 15mpg again enconomical is sooooooooooooo boring

davegreg

1,099 posts

212 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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I was getting 30mpg out of my Ro on a motorway run last week @80mph in 6th. Fuel gauge didn't move for about 60 miles (full tank), then quite predictably, it dropped like a stone! smile

Edited by davegreg on Saturday 25th October 20:04

wolfracer

2,074 posts

229 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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I did an extreme test - 100 miles of mainly motorway to see what i could get - drove at 56 mph all the way and just topped 30 mpg. never ever seen it since and tbh don't want to!

average is usually 22 ish with mixed driving and long motorway runs with occasional blasts.
I drove the Monkfish demo (LS2) and could easily get 26 mpg even with listening to the exhaust howling with the window open.
Apparently the equation is simple. Increase your LS number and your fuel economy follows

ringram

14,701 posts

271 months

Sunday 26th October 2008
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LS2 has higher compression leading to increased thermodynamic efficiency over the lower compression ls1. Too many other variables like tyre pressure etc to consider to make any specific quantitative statements though. Its all the little things that add up.