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stigmundfreud

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22,454 posts

241 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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up to 40% for the power map and up to 20% extra power and economy for the eco map

www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1423607.htm

Bonnie and Clyde

11,701 posts

223 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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Looks like BS to me too.

SimonV8ster

13,028 posts

259 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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Thats about 5 grand cheaper than a supercharger and would give you more power AND better fuel economy !!

scratchchin

TerryS

1,382 posts

279 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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Its probably only in one load cell on one type of vehicle.....

ARAF

20,759 posts

254 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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That looks to be quite standard for Turbo Diesels, so maybe Turbo petrol as well?

I'm not sure it's aimed at V8s at all.

stevieturbo

18,104 posts

278 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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stigmundfreud said:
up to 40% for the power map and up to 20% extra power and economy for the eco map

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1423607.htm
What's the problem ?

308mate

13,758 posts

253 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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Well there's a pretty easy way to find out isnt there? Before and after dyno runs should prove how geniuine the gains are. I'm theyve considered that.


k15tox

1,680 posts

212 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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40% is maybe a little optimistic, but there are real gains to be had out of these modern petrol turbos, simple increase to boost and fueling see's significant gains, look at the vectra vxr's for example most guys are running maps 300hp (a 20-30hp gain) and 400lbs of tourque which is over 110bls over standard.

a mapped vectra is just a quick as a stock cv8, i know from experience!

stevieturbo

18,104 posts

278 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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UP TO UP TO UP TO UP TO UP TO


it didnt say every car might achieve this. It sayd UP TO, which can mean anywhere from 0%, UP TO 40%

mrmr96

13,736 posts

235 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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stevieturbo said:
UP TO UP TO UP TO UP TO UP TO


it didnt say every car might achieve this. It sayd UP TO, which can mean anywhere from 0%, UP TO 40%
However, in order to make that claim do they not need to have gotten those figures from somewhere?

Else there could be a hard limit of 30%, in which case it would be 'up to 30%' not 'up to 40%'.

What I'm saying is that if 40% is unachievable in ALL CASES then surely that's false advertising?

stigmundfreud

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241 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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up to up to up to, yes, upto monkey business. It claims available for most VX range (doubt vxr8!!) but is that up to 20% more power and up to 20% more economy on the same car, or a mixture? How can you get 20% more power and 20% more economy?

mrmr96

13,736 posts

235 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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stigmundfreud said:
up to up to up to, yes, upto monkey business. It claims available for most VX range (doubt vxr8!!) but is that up to 20% more power and up to 20% more economy on the same car, or a mixture? How can you get 20% more power and 20% more economy?
Don't know about 20% of each, but it is definitely possible to remap a car to get more power and better economy.

For example my Evo fueled very rich as standard, but by leaning the mix out a bit you get more power and more economy. There is an increased risk of detonation, though, so it has to be run on high octane fuel. A lot of guys with highly strung engines will also use an exhaust gas temperature gauge to monitor temps (as lean mix burns a lot hotter) and a lamda gauge and sometimes even a knock gauge - just to check it's not been pushed too far.

In essence you can have more power and more economy, but the trade off is reliability (maybe).

stigmundfreud

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22,454 posts

241 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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mrmr96 said:
stigmundfreud said:
up to up to up to, yes, upto monkey business. It claims available for most VX range (doubt vxr8!!) but is that up to 20% more power and up to 20% more economy on the same car, or a mixture? How can you get 20% more power and 20% more economy?

Don't know about 20% of each, but it is definitely possible to remap a car to get more power and better economy.

For example my Evo fueled very rich as standard, but by leaning the mix out a bit you get more power and more economy. There is an increased risk of detonation, though, so it has to be run on high octane fuel. A lot of guys with highly strung engines will also use an exhaust gas temperature gauge to monitor temps (as lean mix burns a lot hotter) and a lamda gauge and sometimes even a knock gauge - just to check it's not been pushed too far.

In essence you can have more power and more economy, but the trade off is reliability (maybe).


yes I know all that but 20% power and 20% economy and as for leaning out unless its done on a custom level I'd rather not take the chance in a petrol car

k15tox

1,680 posts

212 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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mrmr96 said:
stigmundfreud said:
up to up to up to, yes, upto monkey business. It claims available for most VX range (doubt vxr8!!) but is that up to 20% more power and up to 20% more economy on the same car, or a mixture? How can you get 20% more power and 20% more economy?

Don't know about 20% of each, but it is definitely possible to remap a car to get more power and better economy.

For example my Evo fueled very rich as standard, but by leaning the mix out a bit you get more power and more economy. There is an increased risk of detonation, though, so it has to be run on high octane fuel. A lot of guys with highly strung engines will also use an exhaust gas temperature gauge to monitor temps (as lean mix burns a lot hotter) and a lamda gauge and sometimes even a knock gauge - just to check it's not been pushed too far.

In essence you can have more power and more economy, but the trade off is reliability (maybe).


not if its done properly (ie decent tuner doing a custom map)

i wouldnt really trust one of them boxes on a petrol turbo.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

235 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2010
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k15tox said:
i wouldnt really trust one of them boxes on a petrol turbo.
Agreed. I'd never use 'universal' tuning box. The only way to do it properly is a full custom remap.

neiljohnson

11,298 posts

238 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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Anything with a turbo can have the power upped by winding the boost up its just a case of weather the engine is strong enough to take it. I have over 68bhp more than stock with more boost and have seen even higher gains in the past.

stigmundfreud

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Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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neiljohnson said:
Anything with a turbo can have the power upped by winding the boost up its just a case of weather the engine is strong enough to take it. I have over 68bhp more than stock with more boost and have seen even higher gains in the past.
Got to ask, would you just have a map blindly put on from someone or go for a custom map? (strange to ask as I know many here have off the shelf tunes but I'd not want to chance it with a turbo)

neiljohnson

11,298 posts

238 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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stigmundfreud said:
neiljohnson said:
Anything with a turbo can have the power upped by winding the boost up its just a case of weather the engine is strong enough to take it. I have over 68bhp more than stock with more boost and have seen even higher gains in the past.
Got to ask, would you just have a map blindly put on from someone or go for a custom map? (strange to ask as I know many here have off the shelf tunes but I'd not want to chance it with a turbo)
I run a Dreamscience generic map which to be fair is not ideal as its very rich at the top end but rich is safer than lean so im happy for now biggrin
I did get it rr at srr after putting the map on just to make sure there were no issues with it going lean.