Does anyone know this car ?
Does anyone know this car ?
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leonstvr

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39 posts

188 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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SAGRIFF

2,312 posts

202 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Cat D, that's why it's cheap.

Targarama

14,717 posts

306 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Isn't this the one with the rear hinged bonnet which was owned by a PHer and for sale on here a few months ago?

S6 Devil

3,556 posts

256 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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It means the car has been written off in an accident.

A Category C or D write-off is one that insurers consider unecomonical to repair but one that could, given enough time in the workshop, be repaired and returned to the road.

Category A and B should never be returned to the road. A Category B write off is one that is so badly damaged it can only be used for the salvaging of spare parts, while a Category A is one that is sent to the crusher.

RedSpike66

2,342 posts

235 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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I had a very very close and detailed look at this car and it's history whilst looking for a Sag. Previous owner was totally genuine, but had been a bit naive thinking he could buy it 'damaged/repairable', back in 2007, do lots of lovely stuff to it, including getting it fully road worthy repaired, and re-certified by VOSA, and it would be worth nearly as much as if it had never been Cat D.... which sadly it isn't.

He spent a fair bit of money on mods/improvements, like single-piece front-opening hinged bonnet etc, total colour change, opening of the wing/roof vents, and grafted on extensions behind front wheel etc.

All the paperwork checked out (I was very very thorough), and there were lots of photo's of pre-repair damage. The majority of the repair work, including the bobywork, was well done, but I had it inspected and there were simply too many things that needed to be fixed for me so I walked away.


Edited by RedSpike66 on Tuesday 26th July 22:20

alex_gray255

6,333 posts

228 months

Wednesday 27th July 2011
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I think I remember seeing it at Chatsworth. If it is the one I'm thinking of then, I can also add a bit.
- Vent work and extensions were done by RP as well as the bonnet
- The person I spoke to at the time said it was "in good order"

If you are interested, give Jonny at RP a call. He would know more about it as they did a lot of work on it.

sanquin

210 posts

202 months

Wednesday 27th July 2011
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I'd have an very careful look at everything Target Cars is selling. They are not a garage, they buy stuff (including Ferrari's with 1/6 of the car missing, digging machines, Ferrari's that were Toyota MR2's before, etc) in England and sell in in Holland. They do not repair or in any way alter the merchandise, they buy and sell. The likelyhood of buying Cat C or D there is seems high.

I am not trashtalking them; what you see is what you get and they will tell you the same. When they say they know nothing about the car or its history they mean it.

Edited by sanquin on Wednesday 27th July 16:04

jrb43

891 posts

278 months

Wednesday 27th July 2011
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Eclectic doesn't begin to describe them, does it?! I'm not sure whether my next car will be a BMW Z1 or a Kia Elan (none of that Lotus junk for me). My friend says I really should look at getting a Ferrari 412. If only there were a place where....hang on a minute wink

Mattt

16,664 posts

241 months

Wednesday 27th July 2011
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jrb43 said:
Eclectic doesn't begin to describe them, does it?! I'm not sure whether my next car will be a BMW Z1 or a Kia Elan (none of that Lotus junk for me). My friend says I really should look at getting a Ferrari 412. If only there were a place where....hang on a minute wink
laugh

mojikosu

65 posts

178 months

Thursday 28th July 2011
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Hi everybody!

I travelled from Luxembourg to Target Cars today with the knowledge gained from this thread. While a friend and I were inspecting the car, I might have made a mistake in asking the salesperson about the former Cat D status or the fact that this car might have had an accident as described here. It even says so in their ad. The seller seemed quite upset/annoyed about my question and told me off how I could dare to make such a statement - I was merely asking if he had any details on the damage.confused In fact, as some said here, there are indeed some things that would need to be taken care of such as a few rusted parts in the engine bay and blobs in the paintwork. Interior seems spotless though.
Also, no test drive possible without a multi K€ safety deposit...

A final question for all fellow TVR pistonheads smile : Is the behaviour described common for Target Cars? We were really disappointed by the attitude they gave us (not motivated enough to open the Tuscan and the Cerbera for us, because of a depleted battery despite having accumates/aux batteries at hand). Really put off to purchase from them at any time in the future.
Best greetings from Luxembourg!

Zippee

13,930 posts

257 months

Thursday 28th July 2011
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Theres been a fair few comments on PH (Ferrari and TVR forums in particular IIRC) about Target cars if you do a search. None of them have been particularly favourable though I can't comment from experience.

Getsis

1,547 posts

239 months

Thursday 28th July 2011
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If anyone would like me to look at this car I can. I will be driving to Rotterdam tomorrow and will have a few hours spare before catching the ferry. I can take a video camera too if you wish.

sanquin

210 posts

202 months

Thursday 28th July 2011
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Hi mojikosu, sorry to hear that they didn't treat you very well. I visited them once to look at a T350. I did not even want to testdrive the car when I saw it, but anyway the battery was dead and they didnt have an Anderson connector to start it. They were similarly unfriendly/uncooperative. It is hard to put into words but it is just the whole feeling of the place and the people that made me definitely not want to buy an exclusive car there. Maybe it was personal, but it seems you might have had the same feeling.

RedSpike66

2,342 posts

235 months

Thursday 28th July 2011
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If anyone goes looking at that car, take a very, very close look under the O/S/R wing.... Petrol Tank... Yikes !!!!!! Also the rear wishbone needs all the correct bushes putting in - it probably won't handle too well on the limit with it's current set-up !

Tom74TVR

169 posts

180 months

Thursday 28th July 2011
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Hi, I visited target cars a couple of times.... I never had any bad experience (never bought anything but did q couple of testdrives) but I would never buy a TVR there or any other specialist car without having a thorough knowledge of what you are buying. Through the TVR dealer in Belgium I have seen a few but heard many more stories of cars that have been bought there... Remember target cars buys and sells cars they do not maintain or do checkups, they need to keep the cost low. It's fun to look around but beware they have some of tvr's in there hangar for already a couple of years...

mojikosu

65 posts

178 months

Thursday 28th July 2011
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simonlux said:
I am in Route D'Arlon , don't waste time on that Green Gooseberry when you can Tango all day long ;-)
Right, errrr you got me confused right there wink. That Sagaris is yours? and your live in route d'Arlon in Luxembourg (capital?)?
Could I visit an check the car out? biggrin Or did totally misunderstand you now, as I am totally knackered at the moment wink

Greets

mojikosu

65 posts

178 months

Thursday 28th July 2011
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sanquin said:
Hi mojikosu, [...] They were similarly unfriendly/uncooperative. It is hard to put into words but it is just the whole feeling of the place and the people that made me definitely not want to buy an exclusive car there. Maybe it was personal, but it seems you might have had the same feeling.
Hiya, thanks for your comment. Indeed, spot on, I felt the exact same way as you did...

mojikosu

65 posts

178 months

Sunday 31st July 2011
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simonlux said:
Yes, near the football stadium. BUT the car is in the UK .....
Oh ok. I'll be in Ireland next week. Closer, yet too far away to visit wink
Good to know though that there is a fellow TVR fan in Lux smile
Best greets!