Sag's - 60k by end of year?
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There have been a couple sell for £45k but maybe 5-6 sell for £50-£56 the past couple of months and the ads certainly seem to be creeping up 1-2k every time a car appears on the classifieds (ignoring the one off V8's etc)
If not by the end of the year then next summer I'd say £60k will be payed for good cars, and hopefully the good low mileage T350's creep into steady £30k ish and Tuscan 2/3's up into the 40's, as thats where i've always thought these cars should be. The level of performance and driving experience they give absolutely exceeds the £20-30k price tags.
If not by the end of the year then next summer I'd say £60k will be payed for good cars, and hopefully the good low mileage T350's creep into steady £30k ish and Tuscan 2/3's up into the 40's, as thats where i've always thought these cars should be. The level of performance and driving experience they give absolutely exceeds the £20-30k price tags.
Hollowpockets said:
There have been a couple sell for £45k but maybe 5-6 sell for £50-£56 the past couple of months and the ads certainly seem to be creeping up 1-2k every time a car appears on the classifieds (ignoring the one off V8's etc)
If not by the end of the year then next summer I'd say £60k will be payed for good cars, and hopefully the good low mileage T350's creep into steady £30k ish and Tuscan 2/3's up into the 40's, as thats where i've always thought these cars should be. The level of performance and driving experience they give absolutely exceeds the £20-30k price tags.
Fully agree, and good late (>2005) TVR's are getting very rare and this will drive prices up further (although the price difference between Sag's and T2/3's is silly).If not by the end of the year then next summer I'd say £60k will be payed for good cars, and hopefully the good low mileage T350's creep into steady £30k ish and Tuscan 2/3's up into the 40's, as thats where i've always thought these cars should be. The level of performance and driving experience they give absolutely exceeds the £20-30k price tags.
who thinks this will be the peak because i can't believe the sag will become a true classic collectors car as its a TVR, with relatively small market appeal? I could be wrong of course.
I may be looking to sell mine next summer if my life plans/circumstances change, but of course dont want to sell if future stills looks promising.
I may be looking to sell mine next summer if my life plans/circumstances change, but of course dont want to sell if future stills looks promising.
pauldavies85 said:
who thinks this will be the peak because i can't believe the sag will become a true classic collectors car as its a TVR, with relatively small market appeal? I could be wrong of course.
I may be looking to sell mine next summer if my life plans/circumstances change, but of course dont want to sell if future stills looks promising.
OK, some examples are now reaching their factory new invoice price, some even more. Who would have conceived of this 3 years ago? The only forseeable ceiling is when they start reaching the value it would cost you to build a new one. Talk to any of the dealers and they'll tell you there is some way to go yet. This is one of the most desirable and certainly one of the quickest appreciating cars out there. Does that not already make it a future "true classic"? I see no reason why these cars shouldn't achieve at least 75% of the value of what it would cost to build a new one from scratch, were that possible, which it's not (whilst the moulds have all but disappeared). I know there are some body shells out there (most are behind Oulton Park I may be looking to sell mine next summer if my life plans/circumstances change, but of course dont want to sell if future stills looks promising.
), but even so, I doubt anybody would undertake a new build without a substantial deposit on a £100k agreed sales price.Edited by YRRunner on Monday 13th August 11:54
In the same way that someone would pay £200 for a pair of Gucci Jeans rather than £10 Tesco's ones.
Desirability is an intangiable thing. Who would have thought a Mk2 Escort made from old tin, welded together in dagenham would now be worth £25k.... and I'm not talking about a motorsport heritage one, I'm talking about a boggo 2 door shell that someone has spent a little bit of time and effort on...
In my opinion, a lot of automotive desirability doesn't come from the physical aspects of the car, it comes from nostalgia, happy memories, and reminds people of yester-year.
Without being boastful, I've had various Lambo's, Ferrari's and I still own a few Porsche's - one of which is an £180k car, but yet, the Sagaris and in fact, any TVR has a really special place in my garage. To look at, feel and drive a Sag/Tuscan/T350/Tamora/Griffith etc, is like nothing else. You will never get cars like this brand new ever again.
People need to realise that when TVR were selling these cars new at sub-50k, they were getting the biggest bargain in car history. Ok, some had issues, but I've had issues on new cars costing over 3 times as much. And for all the character that TVR's have, any problems are quickly forgotten.
Desirability is an intangiable thing. Who would have thought a Mk2 Escort made from old tin, welded together in dagenham would now be worth £25k.... and I'm not talking about a motorsport heritage one, I'm talking about a boggo 2 door shell that someone has spent a little bit of time and effort on...
In my opinion, a lot of automotive desirability doesn't come from the physical aspects of the car, it comes from nostalgia, happy memories, and reminds people of yester-year.
Without being boastful, I've had various Lambo's, Ferrari's and I still own a few Porsche's - one of which is an £180k car, but yet, the Sagaris and in fact, any TVR has a really special place in my garage. To look at, feel and drive a Sag/Tuscan/T350/Tamora/Griffith etc, is like nothing else. You will never get cars like this brand new ever again.
People need to realise that when TVR were selling these cars new at sub-50k, they were getting the biggest bargain in car history. Ok, some had issues, but I've had issues on new cars costing over 3 times as much. And for all the character that TVR's have, any problems are quickly forgotten.
Buzz Billsberry said:
Why would anyone pay that sort of money for a plastic bath tub kit car assembled in Blackpool? It beggers belief. I think the cars are truely great & I love my Tamora but seriously there's so much nicer, safer machinery for that money out there.
The worlds gone mad!
Buzz
I'd take my "plastic bath tub kit car" over any Porsche, AM, Ferrari or anything else for that matter that is in the same price range. It's not until you get into GT3 RS, F458 and MP4-12C territory that I would consider anything else. Everything and anything below those (911TT, R8, F430, GTR etc) are just all too common, all too refined and don't have the rarity factor and road & track presence of the Sagaris (not to mention the sense of occasion with every mile driven). I agree there are some phenominal cars out there for upto £100k, but none of them stir the heart and inspire the mind like the last of the breed. Sometimes, very rarely, a car is born that just has that wow factor and is worth far more than the sum of it's parts and technology. That's my opinion anyway, but then I would be a bit biased The worlds gone mad!
Buzz
Buzz Billsberry said:
Why would anyone pay that sort of money for a plastic bath tub kit car assembled in Blackpool? It beggers belief. I think the cars are truely great & I love my Tamora but seriously there's so much nicer, safer machinery for that money out there.
The worlds gone mad!
Buzz
I have a friend who has spent more on a few watches than ive spent on my last two cars, I dont understand why or how these watches can be so valuable but they are, its just not my thing. £50k on a Sagaris is quite a lot of money but for me it gives back so much more than anything worth two/three times as much, Its not until over £140k till id be tempted by a certain model of italian car, even then it would be tough to spend that much money on something only nearly as wild as a Sagaris. Even the GT3'RS 4.0 or 430 Scuderia dont do it for me. Each to their own I suppose.The worlds gone mad!
Buzz
Hollowpockets said:
I have a friend who has spent more on a few watches than ive spent on my last two cars, I dont understand why or how these watches can be so valuable but they are, its just not my thing. £50k on a Sagaris is quite a lot of money but for me it gives back so much more than anything worth two/three times as much, Its not until over £140k till id be tempted by a certain model of italian car, even then it would be tough to spend that much money on something only nearly as wild as a Sagaris. Even the GT3'RS 4.0 or 430 Scuderia dont do it for me. Each to their own I suppose.
I had both a 430 Scuderia and a GT3RS 4.0 (amongst others) and I sold them both, but kept hold of the Sag... so that should tell you something. Oh, and it wasn't finance related....FactoryPilot said:
Hollowpockets said:
I have a friend who has spent more on a few watches than ive spent on my last two cars, I dont understand why or how these watches can be so valuable but they are, its just not my thing. £50k on a Sagaris is quite a lot of money but for me it gives back so much more than anything worth two/three times as much, Its not until over £140k till id be tempted by a certain model of italian car, even then it would be tough to spend that much money on something only nearly as wild as a Sagaris. Even the GT3'RS 4.0 or 430 Scuderia dont do it for me. Each to their own I suppose.
I had both a 430 Scuderia and a GT3RS 4.0 (amongst others) and I sold them both, but kept hold of the Sag... so that should tell you something. Oh, and it wasn't finance related....Buzz Billsberry said:
Why would anyone pay that sort of money for a plastic bath tub kit car assembled in Blackpool? It beggers belief. I think the cars are truely great & I love my Tamora but seriously there's so much nicer, safer machinery for that money out there.
The worlds gone mad!
Buzz
What a strange post..the answer is clear surely?The worlds gone mad!
Buzz
Purchaser wants one and sees that the market is such that if he doesnt pay market value, generaly he won't get what he wants.
That aside, there are folk that will level the same level of criticism at your Tamora and what you paid for it (even before it's messed about with and needs an engineers report to say its "safe")
The worlds been the same place for a lot of years - it's a place populated by very diffrent people each with a diffrent take on what's normal
FactoryPilot said:
I had both a 430 Scuderia and a GT3RS 4.0 (amongst others) and I sold them both, but kept hold of the Sag... so that should tell you something. Oh, and it wasn't finance related....
I love my TVR's but surely you're not saying that the Sag is a better car than a 430 Scud or a GT3RS 4.0?Have driven a 430 (non Scud) and 997GT3 (non RS) and both have a level of performance no TVR can match IMHO. But indeed, there is no replacement for the rush a TVR can give.
GTrr said:
I love my TVR's but surely you're not saying that the Sag is a better car than a 430 Scud or a GT3RS 4.0?
Have driven a 430 (non Scud) and 997GT3 (non RS) and both have a level of performance no TVR can match IMHO. But indeed, there is no replacement for the rush a TVR can give.
I am the same as Lee (factory pilot) in that I have owned a Scud and three 911 RS models (i don't have as much money as him though), I regret selling the 964RS and also the 993RS but I do not regret selling the 997RS what so ever. The Sagaris to me is a much more special proposition, I have a Ford GT which I see as a very special car and I would find it difficult to choose between the two of them but thank fully I do not have to.Have driven a 430 (non Scud) and 997GT3 (non RS) and both have a level of performance no TVR can match IMHO. But indeed, there is no replacement for the rush a TVR can give.
"Level of performance no TVR can match" - mine can
Lee (FP) I am pleased you still have a Sagaris - I am finding it difficult to catch up with which one you have - answer your mail back to me!
Edited by blackiepaul on Monday 13th August 20:15
The Sag was the pinnacle of TVR's achievements. Given the rarity now its confirmed there will be no more, they will contine to appreciate, I can't see it stopping at £60K. Good examples of other models are also rising in value, just not quite as fast - yet.
Edited by Englishman on Monday 13th August 20:15
blackiepaul said:
I am the same as Lee (factory pilot) in that I have owned a Scud and three 911 RS models (i don't have as much money as him though), I regret selling the 964RS and also the 993RS but I do not regret selling the 997RS what so ever. The Sagaris to me is a much more special proposition, I have a Ford GT which I see as a very special car and I would find it difficult to choose between the two of them but thank fully I do not have to.
"Level of performance no TVR can match" - mine can
Lee (FP) I am pleased you still have a Sagaris - I am finding it difficult to catch up with which one you have - answer your mail back to me!
I know but you Sag doesn't have a TVR engine anymore, does it? "Level of performance no TVR can match" - mine can
Lee (FP) I am pleased you still have a Sagaris - I am finding it difficult to catch up with which one you have - answer your mail back to me!
Edited by blackiepaul on Monday 13th August 20:15
But I agree with what you're saying guys, I'd never sell my T2S.
blackiepaul said:
I am the same as Lee (factory pilot) in that I have owned a Scud and three 911 RS models (i don't have as much money BIGGER OVERDRAFT as him though), I regret selling the 964RS and also the 993RS but I do not regret selling the 997RS what so ever........
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