TVR Sagaris horsepower
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Hello guys,
I'm wondering how much horsepower a TVR sagaris actually has.
I was driving on the highway with my sag the other day, and when i crossed 200km/h, the speedo kept climbing but very very slowly. My previous car was a 996 GT2 and that car crossed 200km/h 10 times faster.
My sag is a standard 4.0 pre-production (concept) from 2005. (I live in Belgium)
TVR claimed that the sag has 400hp, but i can hardly believe that.
Any of you guys who did a dyno test with a standard sag?
Cheers,
Mathias
I'm wondering how much horsepower a TVR sagaris actually has.
I was driving on the highway with my sag the other day, and when i crossed 200km/h, the speedo kept climbing but very very slowly. My previous car was a 996 GT2 and that car crossed 200km/h 10 times faster.
My sag is a standard 4.0 pre-production (concept) from 2005. (I live in Belgium)
TVR claimed that the sag has 400hp, but i can hardly believe that.
Any of you guys who did a dyno test with a standard sag?
Cheers,
Mathias
When my Sagaris was completely standard (back in 2008) it would reach 165+mph (radar confirmed) along the 2 mile runway at Bruntingthorpe, and would get to the indicated 170mph that corresponded to by halfway down the runway before aerodynamic drag overcame the power. So I'm surprised you feel yours is "running out of puff" at merely 125mph.
tvrMathbelgium said:
Hello guys,
I'm wondering how much horsepower a TVR sagaris actually has.
I was driving on the highway with my sag the other day, and when i crossed 200km/h, the speedo kept climbing but very very slowly. My previous car was a 996 GT2 and that car crossed 200km/h 10 times faster.
My sag is a standard 4.0 pre-production (concept) from 2005. (I live in Belgium)
TVR claimed that the sag has 400hp, but i can hardly believe that.
Any of you guys who did a dyno test with a standard sag?
Cheers,
Mathias
A good friend of mine has a 997 Gt2, it is in a different league compared to a standard Sag, it was so much quicker in a straight line over 100mph.I'm wondering how much horsepower a TVR sagaris actually has.
I was driving on the highway with my sag the other day, and when i crossed 200km/h, the speedo kept climbing but very very slowly. My previous car was a 996 GT2 and that car crossed 200km/h 10 times faster.
My sag is a standard 4.0 pre-production (concept) from 2005. (I live in Belgium)
TVR claimed that the sag has 400hp, but i can hardly believe that.
Any of you guys who did a dyno test with a standard sag?
Cheers,
Mathias
My 996 GT2 had 450hp, and probably better aerodynamic.
I've asked the belgium TVR dealer about it and he said the rear spoiler has to do with it.
He said i should remove the rear spoiler, so the car would have less aerodynamic resistace.
But i don't think that's a good idea, it would affect the handeling pretty much i guess.
Another option he told me is to upgrade the car to a 4.5, but a complete engine rebuild is too expensive for me. (around £7000)
I had a test on the dyno a few years ago with my Cerb 4.2, TVR claimed it had 360hp, unfortunately it had only 280hp.
Mathias
I've asked the belgium TVR dealer about it and he said the rear spoiler has to do with it.
He said i should remove the rear spoiler, so the car would have less aerodynamic resistace.
But i don't think that's a good idea, it would affect the handeling pretty much i guess.
Another option he told me is to upgrade the car to a 4.5, but a complete engine rebuild is too expensive for me. (around £7000)
I had a test on the dyno a few years ago with my Cerb 4.2, TVR claimed it had 360hp, unfortunately it had only 280hp.
Mathias
tvrMathbelgium said:
He said i should remove the rear spoiler, so the car would have less aerodynamic resistace.
But i don't think that's a good idea, it would affect the handeling pretty much i guess.
This would be a very bad idea. Unlike previous TVRs, the Sagaris has actually been in a wind tunnel, and that rear spoiler significantly reduces rear end lift at high speeds. Yes, you would reduce drag at speed by removing it, but at the expense of stability. I wouldn't recommend it. But i don't think that's a good idea, it would affect the handeling pretty much i guess.
tvrMathbelgium said:
My 996 GT2 had 450hp, and probably better aerodynamic.
I've asked the belgium TVR dealer about it and he said the rear spoiler has to do with it.
He said i should remove the rear spoiler, so the car would have less aerodynamic resistace.
But i don't think that's a good idea, it would affect the handeling pretty much i guess.
Another option he told me is to upgrade the car to a 4.5, but a complete engine rebuild is too expensive for me. (around £7000)
I had a test on the dyno a few years ago with my Cerb 4.2, TVR claimed it had 360hp, unfortunately it had only 280hp.
Mathias
Also depends on what diff you are running, with a 3.4 a standard Sag should still pull hard to 160mph in 4th,I've asked the belgium TVR dealer about it and he said the rear spoiler has to do with it.
He said i should remove the rear spoiler, so the car would have less aerodynamic resistace.
But i don't think that's a good idea, it would affect the handeling pretty much i guess.
Another option he told me is to upgrade the car to a 4.5, but a complete engine rebuild is too expensive for me. (around £7000)
I had a test on the dyno a few years ago with my Cerb 4.2, TVR claimed it had 360hp, unfortunately it had only 280hp.
Mathias
4.5ss will cost a lot more than you have been quoted.
Edited by WolfyJones on Monday 5th August 14:20
Your Sag sounds like it is seriously down on power.
You do not say how old your 996 GT2 was but the comparison is hardly fair!
When new, the 996 GT2 was a very special car and retailed at almost £130,000. It had 483bhp as standard. To be blunt, if you could afford a new 996 GT2 you probably would not have been interested in a new Sagaris. However, on the road and with a competent driver, a new Sagaris would keep on the tail of a GT2.
Now we have to compare 'used' cars and the relative performance will depend on the care that has been lavished on the cars and their resulting condition. The 996 GT2 had a bad reputation for loosing a huge amount of its original power (problems with wear in the engine and the turbo) but of course the bigger problem is the venomous handling killed far more 996 GT2's and their drivers than any Sagaris!
You do not say how old your 996 GT2 was but the comparison is hardly fair!
When new, the 996 GT2 was a very special car and retailed at almost £130,000. It had 483bhp as standard. To be blunt, if you could afford a new 996 GT2 you probably would not have been interested in a new Sagaris. However, on the road and with a competent driver, a new Sagaris would keep on the tail of a GT2.
Now we have to compare 'used' cars and the relative performance will depend on the care that has been lavished on the cars and their resulting condition. The 996 GT2 had a bad reputation for loosing a huge amount of its original power (problems with wear in the engine and the turbo) but of course the bigger problem is the venomous handling killed far more 996 GT2's and their drivers than any Sagaris!
monty quick said:
Your Sag sounds like it is seriously down on power.
You do not say how old your 996 GT2 was but the comparison is hardly fair!
When new, the 996 GT2 was a very special car and retailed at almost £130,000. It had 483bhp as standard. To be blunt, if you could afford a new 996 GT2 you probably would not have been interested in a new Sagaris. However, on the road and with a competent driver, a new Sagaris would keep on the tail of a GT2.
Now we have to compare 'used' cars and the relative performance will depend on the care that has been lavished on the cars and their resulting condition. The 996 GT2 had a bad reputation for loosing a huge amount of its original power (problems with wear in the engine and the turbo) but of course the bigger problem is the venomous handling killed far more 996 GT2's and their drivers than any Sagaris!
My 996 GT2 was built in 2002, it had 462bhp to be precise. Later models had 483bhp.You do not say how old your 996 GT2 was but the comparison is hardly fair!
When new, the 996 GT2 was a very special car and retailed at almost £130,000. It had 483bhp as standard. To be blunt, if you could afford a new 996 GT2 you probably would not have been interested in a new Sagaris. However, on the road and with a competent driver, a new Sagaris would keep on the tail of a GT2.
Now we have to compare 'used' cars and the relative performance will depend on the care that has been lavished on the cars and their resulting condition. The 996 GT2 had a bad reputation for loosing a huge amount of its original power (problems with wear in the engine and the turbo) but of course the bigger problem is the venomous handling killed far more 996 GT2's and their drivers than any Sagaris!
I bought the GT2 in 2005 as a USED car, not new. I sold it in 2007 because i didn't have enough time for it, i drove merely 2000km's per year. Last year i bought a USED sagaris, because i wanted a proper sportscar again. The GT2 had 15000km's when i bought it (2005) and the sagaris had 18000km's when i bought it (2012), they were both in perfect condition, bought by a dealer with one year warranty. You say that a sagaris would keep on the tail of a GT2 on the road, I assure you the difference between a GT2 and a Sagaris is phenomenal. If you compare the handling and power at high speeds, the GT2 is very fast, stable and comfortable to drive, the Sagaris on the other hand is uneasy, vibrating and shaking at high speeds.
I bought the Sagaris because i love its looks, its brutal noise and lightweight chassis. But the GT2 is no doubt the best car i have ever owned. I was just wondering how many horsepowers a sagaris has, because i feel a big difference between my previous car and the sagaris. But as many guys said above, a GT2 is in a different league than a Sagaris. I don't mind about that, i'm still very very happy with it
just wondering..tvrMathbelgium said:
My 996 GT2 was built in 2002, it had 462bhp to be precise. Later models had 483bhp.
I bought the GT2 in 2005 as a USED car, not new. I sold it in 2007 because i didn't have enough time for it, i drove merely 2000km's per year. Last year i bought a USED sagaris, because i wanted a proper sportscar again. The GT2 had 15000km's when i bought it (2005) and the sagaris had 18000km's when i bought it (2012), they were both in perfect condition, bought by a dealer with one year warranty. You say that a sagaris would keep on the tail of a GT2 on the road, I assure you the difference between a GT2 and a Sagaris is phenomenal. If you compare the handling and power at high speeds, the GT2 is very fast, stable and comfortable to drive, the Sagaris on the other hand is uneasy, vibrating and shaking at high speeds.
I bought the Sagaris because i love its looks, its brutal noise and lightweight chassis. But the GT2 is no doubt the best car i have ever owned. I was just wondering how many horsepowers a sagaris has, because i feel a big difference between my previous car and the sagaris. But as many guys said above, a GT2 is in a different league than a Sagaris. I don't mind about that, i'm still very very happy with it just wondering..
To put it another way then, my engine has had around £15k spent on it, and is still 18bhp behind the GT2. That is the beauty of a socking great turbo on the 911! (I know, they have two! I bought the GT2 in 2005 as a USED car, not new. I sold it in 2007 because i didn't have enough time for it, i drove merely 2000km's per year. Last year i bought a USED sagaris, because i wanted a proper sportscar again. The GT2 had 15000km's when i bought it (2005) and the sagaris had 18000km's when i bought it (2012), they were both in perfect condition, bought by a dealer with one year warranty. You say that a sagaris would keep on the tail of a GT2 on the road, I assure you the difference between a GT2 and a Sagaris is phenomenal. If you compare the handling and power at high speeds, the GT2 is very fast, stable and comfortable to drive, the Sagaris on the other hand is uneasy, vibrating and shaking at high speeds.
I bought the Sagaris because i love its looks, its brutal noise and lightweight chassis. But the GT2 is no doubt the best car i have ever owned. I was just wondering how many horsepowers a sagaris has, because i feel a big difference between my previous car and the sagaris. But as many guys said above, a GT2 is in a different league than a Sagaris. I don't mind about that, i'm still very very happy with it
just wondering..
). Round a track, the Sagaris is as quick as just about any 911 - the old Top Gear had it .01 seconds behind a Koenigsegg, but in the real world, at Autobahn speeds, the GT2 would eat a standard Sagaris alive. There are some modifications that help with high speed stability and enjoyment (cut slats that properly vent and bonnet replacement), but the Sagaris just isn't designed for high speed runs.
tvrMathbelgium said:
My 996 GT2 had 450hp, and probably better aerodynamic.
I've asked the belgium TVR dealer about it and he said the rear spoiler has to do with it.
He said i should remove the rear spoiler, so the car would have less aerodynamic resistace.
But i don't think that's a good idea, it would affect the handeling pretty much i guess.
Another option he told me is to upgrade the car to a 4.5, but a complete engine rebuild is too expensive for me. (around £7000)
I had a test on the dyno a few years ago with my Cerb 4.2, TVR claimed it had 360hp, unfortunately it had only 280hp.
Mathias
Hi Mathias,I've asked the belgium TVR dealer about it and he said the rear spoiler has to do with it.
He said i should remove the rear spoiler, so the car would have less aerodynamic resistace.
But i don't think that's a good idea, it would affect the handeling pretty much i guess.
Another option he told me is to upgrade the car to a 4.5, but a complete engine rebuild is too expensive for me. (around £7000)
I had a test on the dyno a few years ago with my Cerb 4.2, TVR claimed it had 360hp, unfortunately it had only 280hp.
Mathias
I live near Leuven and I have a 2004 T350t and a 2006 Sagaris. The T350t has the same 4 liter engine as the Sagaris but manages to make 377bhp while the Sagaris only has 356bhp. They were tested on the same dyno. I have handed my Sagaris back to TVR Belgium and Marc is now looking into what options we have with the ECU. I can fill you in on the details if you want. What part of Belgium do you live in?
Tom.
Tom74TVR said:
Hi Mathias,
I live near Leuven and I have a 2004 T350t and a 2006 Sagaris. The T350t has the same 4 liter engine as the Sagaris but manages to make 377bhp while the Sagaris only has 356bhp. They were tested on the same dyno. I have handed my Sagaris back to TVR Belgium and Marc is now looking into what options we have with the ECU. I can fill you in on the details if you want. What part of Belgium do you live in?
Tom.
Hi Tom,I live near Leuven and I have a 2004 T350t and a 2006 Sagaris. The T350t has the same 4 liter engine as the Sagaris but manages to make 377bhp while the Sagaris only has 356bhp. They were tested on the same dyno. I have handed my Sagaris back to TVR Belgium and Marc is now looking into what options we have with the ECU. I can fill you in on the details if you want. What part of Belgium do you live in?
Tom.
That's quite surprising your T350t has 20bhp more than your Sagaris, besides they have the same engine.
Yea that would be great if you could fill me in on the details. I would like to have more power above 200kph. I live in Ieper, around 45 minutes from Deinze. My email: math.ver.eecke@gmail.com
Cheers,
Mathias
Tom74TVR said:
Hi Mathias,
I live near Leuven and I have a 2004 T350t and a 2006 Sagaris. The T350t has the same 4 liter engine as the Sagaris but manages to make 377bhp while the Sagaris only has 356bhp. They were tested on the same dyno. I have handed my Sagaris back to TVR Belgium and Marc is now looking into what options we have with the ECU. I can fill you in on the details if you want. What part of Belgium do you live in?
Tom.
Were they tested back to back, if not then I would think that the 6% difference showing there could possibly be accounted for by different conditions but I am sure someone who understands these things will be along to tell me I am totally wrong.I live near Leuven and I have a 2004 T350t and a 2006 Sagaris. The T350t has the same 4 liter engine as the Sagaris but manages to make 377bhp while the Sagaris only has 356bhp. They were tested on the same dyno. I have handed my Sagaris back to TVR Belgium and Marc is now looking into what options we have with the ECU. I can fill you in on the details if you want. What part of Belgium do you live in?
Tom.
tvrMathbelgium said:
Tom74TVR said:
Hi Mathias,
I live near Leuven and I have a 2004 T350t and a 2006 Sagaris. The T350t has the same 4 liter engine as the Sagaris but manages to make 377bhp while the Sagaris only has 356bhp. They were tested on the same dyno. I have handed my Sagaris back to TVR Belgium and Marc is now looking into what options we have with the ECU. I can fill you in on the details if you want. What part of Belgium do you live in?
Tom.
Hi Tom,I live near Leuven and I have a 2004 T350t and a 2006 Sagaris. The T350t has the same 4 liter engine as the Sagaris but manages to make 377bhp while the Sagaris only has 356bhp. They were tested on the same dyno. I have handed my Sagaris back to TVR Belgium and Marc is now looking into what options we have with the ECU. I can fill you in on the details if you want. What part of Belgium do you live in?
Tom.
That's quite surprising your T350t has 20bhp more than your Sagaris, besides they have the same engine.
Yea that would be great if you could fill me in on the details. I would like to have more power above 200kph. I live in Ieper, around 45 minutes from Deinze. My email: math.ver.eecke@gmail.com
Cheers,
Mathias
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