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Danstable

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203 posts

237 months

Wednesday 17th June 2015
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Picked up my 'new' Tamora today. Drove back from Southampton to Horsham mainly along the A272, and got my first TVR flash from a Tuscan near Midhurst I think (anyone on here?).

Can't say I was blown away by my first drive but then I was stressed because I was late to pick up my boy from school and couldn't sit back and enjoy it as I hoped I would.

The other reason for not being blown away is the nagging feeling that I've made a mistake in buying it. I went in to TVR ownership with my eyes open, but even so, the fear that the bills could cripple me takes the shine off the experience somewhat. I'm sure I'll grow to love it in time though.

Anyway, need advice on the following:

1 - Driver's window won't rise when the door is open, works fine when door is shut. Passenger side works both open and shut. Normal?!

2 - What does the button next to the internal passenger door release do?

3 - What does the little knurled black wheel on the right side of the steering column do?

4 - I get an oil sensor warning on start up. Clears fine, but oil temp reading flicks between nothing and one bar. New sensor required?

5 - Seatbelts are a bit tatty and don't really retract, is there a good quality replacement recommended?

6 - Radio reception appears to be pretty much none existent.

7 - Drivers side window rattles when down and on a broken surface.

There's plenty of other bits that need sorting but either reading up has already given me answers, or I should be able to figure them out. However, for the record:

A - I melted on the way home, must sort the flaps and also the ball of molten lava next to the handbrake made from a small piece of the sun.

B - Drivers door card is loose at the bottom.

C - Drivers door can be tricky to open.

D - Door, boot and hood seals could do with being renewed.

E - High level brake light screws are rusted...as are many bits and pieces under the car...but not the chassis.

F - Gear lever gator needs reattaching (provided extra warmth today just in case I wasn't melting enough already!)

G - Bit of trim to the right of the accelerator needs securing, kept catching it with my foot.

I'm sure there's more but I'll stop now as this post is already too long. Here's a picture...assuming my uploading skills haven't failed me.




jrb43

887 posts

275 months

Wednesday 17th June 2015
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Danstable said:
Picked up my 'new' Tamora today. Drove back from Southampton to Horsham mainly along the A272, and got my first TVR flash from a Tuscan near Midhurst I think (anyone on here?).

Congratulations! Love the colour.

Can't say I was blown away by my first drive but then I was stressed because I was late to pick up my boy from school and couldn't sit back and enjoy it as I hoped I would.

Also, you won't yet have discovered there's another 6 inches of throttle travel biggrin

The other reason for not being blown away is the nagging feeling that I've made a mistake in buying it. I went in to TVR ownership with my eyes open, but even so, the fear that the bills could cripple me takes the shine off the experience somewhat. I'm sure I'll grow to love it in time though.

For sure. You'll gain confidence that the car is sound. And you absolutely can't go faster for the money. You are unlikely to lose money on the investment either.

Anyway, need advice on the following:

1 - Driver's window won't rise when the door is open, works fine when door is shut. Passenger side works both open and shut. Normal?!

Didn't think either window would rise with the door open - stops the glass shattering when it goes into the frame (it has to rise once door closed) but I might be mistaken)

2 - What does the button next to the internal passenger door release do?

With a red LED? Disables the outside door locks.

3 - What does the little knurled black wheel on the right side of the steering column do?

Adjusts the speed of the intermittent wipe. Clockwise makes it...er....anticlockwise makes it... I'm sure mine changes every few months!

4 - I get an oil sensor warning on start up. Clears fine, but oil temp reading flicks between nothing and one bar. New sensor required?

Meh. They always alarm when they warm up. Have you actually driven it far enough to warm the oil yet? Flick through to the absolute reading and see what that looks like.

5 - Seatbelts are a bit tatty and don't really retract, is there a good quality replacement recommended?

I was going to look at quickfitsbs but I have no knowledge. They never retract unless the car is plumb level.

6 - Radio reception appears to be pretty much none existent.

Correct. It's always a problem with fibreglass cars but especially bad in ours. Some have fitted DAB antennae. I don't know how they've got along.

7 - Drivers side window rattles when down and on a broken surface.

Probably. TADTS I think.

There's plenty of other bits that need sorting but either reading up has already given me answers, or I should be able to figure them out. However, for the record:

A - I melted on the way home, must sort the flaps and also the ball of molten lava next to the handbrake made from a small piece of the sun.

B - Drivers door card is loose at the bottom.

C - Drivers door can be tricky to open.

D - Door, boot and hood seals could do with being renewed.

E - High level brake light screws are rusted...as are many bits and pieces under the car...but not the chassis.

F - Gear lever gator needs reattaching (provided extra warmth today just in case I wasn't melting enough already!)

G - Bit of trim to the right of the accelerator needs securing, kept catching it with my foot.

I'm sure there's more but I'll stop now as this post is already too long. Here's a picture...assuming my uploading skills haven't failed me.



igiveup

2,875 posts

302 months

Wednesday 17th June 2015
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Danstable said:
Picked up my 'new' Tamora today. Drove back from Southampton to Horsham mainly along the A272, and got my first TVR flash from a Tuscan near Midhurst I think (anyone on here?).


The other reason for not being blown away is the nagging feeling that I've made a mistake in buying it. I went in to TVR ownership with my eyes open, but even so, the fear that the bills could cripple me takes the shine off the experience somewhat. I'm sure I'll grow to love it in time though.
I picked up my Chim on Saturday and so far its cost me £90 in fuel, £22 in HT Leads as the one from the Coil to the Dizzy arced and also now a new coil, £25 second hand. Also needs Exhuast gasket doing as it chuffs like a good'un. Gonna do this myself.

I still feel like you do, as in Have I made a big mistake buying my dream car. But no i'll persevere

Danstable said:
Anyway, need advice on the following:

1 - Driver's window won't rise when the door is open, works fine when door is shut. Passenger side works both open and shut. Normal?!

2 - What does the button next to the internal passenger door release do?

3 - What does the little knurled black wheel on the right side of the steering column do?

4 - I get an oil sensor warning on start up. Clears fine, but oil temp reading flicks between nothing and one bar. New sensor required?

5 - Seatbelts are a bit tatty and don't really retract, is there a good quality replacement recommended?

6 - Radio reception appears to be pretty much none existent.

7 - Drivers side window rattles when down and on a broken surface.
Other than #4 #5 everything else sound's familiar.

Nice looking car though.
I'm not that far from you, near East Grinstead.

Danstable

Original Poster:

203 posts

237 months

Wednesday 17th June 2015
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Thanks James. What's with the 'TADTS' bit? I got 'they all do that sh!t' in my head and now can't think of any alternatives!

I did about 60 miles in it today so it should have been well up to temperature. When you say 'absolute', do you mean scroll through the display menu until I hit a screen that displays the temp as a number rather than bars?

Danstable

Original Poster:

203 posts

237 months

Wednesday 17th June 2015
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Congratulations on your purchase igiveup, will have to look in to local meets. I'm sure meeting other enthusiastic owners will help us to come to love our cars, foibles and all.

mk1fan

10,822 posts

245 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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They All Do That Sir.

igiveup

2,875 posts

302 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Danstable said:
Congratulations on your purchase igiveup, will have to look in to local meets. I'm sure meeting other enthusiastic owners will help us to come to love our cars, foibles and all.
Sorry in all the quoting and formatting on my phone forgot to say congrats on your purchase.

I believe there are a lot of TVR owners in the Horsham area. I know of 2, FUBAR and his Yellow Cerbera and Knight but not sure if he still has his.

ChazUwe

261 posts

255 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Please don't take this the wrong way Danstable, but if that list of niggles really bothers you then I suspect you may have made a mistake buying a TVR period. I have only had my T350T a short time so have minimal experience, but from others posts here I have learnt TVR's can be generally reliable, but they are hand built and getting on in their years now so you will get little niggles. Most (hopefully) of these will be minor (like some of the issues you have raised) and can be resolved by yourself with a little research and tinkering at minimal cost. JRB43's advice is spot on re your queries also.

No matter how good a second hand car is condition wise, buying a 12 year old car will always display a few niggles. Most of these can be spotted on initial viewing so should not be a massive surprise and if expensive or difficult to remedy needs to be considered in the price you are happy to offer the seller....!

What is a little more worrying though is that you don't mention the drive back at all, the noise of the speed six, the visceral experience of the car, experience of having the roof down? From your post it appears you are only experiencing/considering the negatives and when you first buy a 'fun' car the positives should be the initial feelings and sometimes over time some negatives might creep in but hopefully be heavily outweighed by the positives!

Just out of interest what car have you come from or what is your main car(if the Tam is a second car)?

igiveup

2,875 posts

302 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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I think the issue is, well for me anyway is no matter how much you know these cars are, well TVR's. When you pick up your first one ever after wanting one for so long when the niggles that you didn't notice on the test drive, because, well wow your actually driving your dream car they take the shine off a bit.

I'm past that now and can't wait to drive as much as possible, niggles will be sorted one a a time.

Willtl

135 posts

129 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Danstable said:
The other reason for not being blown away is the nagging feeling that I've made a mistake in buying it.
It is just buyer's remorse. I'm also a new TVR owner and no doubt share many of your doubts. However, you need to make the most of it now. If after 6 months you are still unhappy, you will probably be able to sell it on, making only a very small loss (unless of course you decide to spend thousands in that time). Next time you start having doubts, walk out and have a look at your car and tell me you don't start thinking "actually, so what!"

ChazUwe

261 posts

255 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Best fix is to get out there and drive it, try and find some nice open roads. One frustration I have is as it is pretty quick you are always getting stuck behind rows and rows of traffic. Think I am going to do an early morning Wales trip later in the summer!

Granturadriver

677 posts

281 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Danstable said:
the nagging feeling that I've made a mistake in buying it.
If it is with regard to the money you have spent than I hope all the niggles were reflected in the price you paid.

However, if this is due to the fact that you now need or want to fix these issues, than you should be aware that this is real TVR driving. Most TVR owners know and want that our cars need special care and time, otherwise we would prefer other cars like Porsche etc.

Most of the questions you raised are typical T-car issues you will able to sort via pistonhead! Don't worry!

By the way, I like the T350 front on your Tamora!

Danstable

Original Poster:

203 posts

237 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Don't worry, the noise etc. was certainly appreciated! I've just sold a third generation MX5 with a supercharger and a couple of other bits. Super reliable, easy to live with, and probably not far off the performance of the TVR, however I felt I could throw it around without fear. With familiarity I'm hoping I'll feel as comfortable doing the same in the TVR.

ChazUwe said:
Please don't take this the wrong way Danstable, but if that list of niggles really bothers you then I suspect you may have made a mistake buying a TVR period. I have only had my T350T a short time so have minimal experience, but from others posts here I have learnt TVR's can be generally reliable, but they are hand built and getting on in their years now so you will get little niggles. Most (hopefully) of these will be minor (like some of the issues you have raised) and can be resolved by yourself with a little research and tinkering at minimal cost. JRB43's advice is spot on re your queries also.

No matter how good a second hand car is condition wise, buying a 12 year old car will always display a few niggles. Most of these can be spotted on initial viewing so should not be a massive surprise and if expensive or difficult to remedy needs to be considered in the price you are happy to offer the seller....!

What is a little more worrying though is that you don't mention the drive back at all, the noise of the speed six, the visceral experience of the car, experience of having the roof down? From your post it appears you are only experiencing/considering the negatives and when you first buy a 'fun' car the positives should be the initial feelings and sometimes over time some negatives might creep in but hopefully be heavily outweighed by the positives!

Just out of interest what car have you come from or what is your main car(if the Tam is a second car)?

a1butch

274 posts

214 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Sometimes all it takes is a quiet open road and all the niggles just disappear.
Hopefully I can help on some of your questions / issues. I'm still a novice in TVR ownership but the learning curve is high!

2 - I believe this could be the door locking reset, although somebody else might be along to expand or offer more guidance - perhaps check the manual.

3 - This should change the speed of the intermittent wiper mode (again, in the TVR manual)

5 - Powers Performance and other TVR part suppliers have replacement options. I'm not sure of the exact replacement product though. (TVRs are built from various supplier buckets it seems so could be a stock Ford/Peugeot/Rover product)

6 - Join the club! you could speak to Carl Baker (google him) for advise on how to strengthen the signal. He's in the UK at the moment.

7 - Try taking off the door card and checking some of the metal brackets gluing the window mechanism to the door. One of mine snapped so was easily welded back.

Danstable

Original Poster:

203 posts

237 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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I believe I paid a fair price although I didn't spot many niggles on the first viewing, that's not the issue. I think it mainly cones down to having the desire to get my hands dirty and fix things, but not realistically having the time, therefore I either live with them or pay to have then sorted.

I'd like to think that I'll keep this car for a long time and will eventually have the time to get my hands dirty.

I like the T350 front end too, always want to be a little bit 'different'!


Granturadriver said:
If it is with regard to the money you have spent than I hope all the niggles were reflected in the price you paid.

However, if this is due to the fact that you now need or want to fix these issues, than you should be aware that this is real TVR driving. Most TVR owners know and want that our cars need special care and time, otherwise we would prefer other cars like Porsche etc.

Most of the questions you raised are typical T-car issues you will able to sort via pistonhead! Don't worry!

By the way, I like the T350 front on your Tamora!

Danstable

Original Poster:

203 posts

237 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Many thanks. Unfortunately the car didn't come with a manual so I'm left asking these simple questions.

One other question, where would be the best place to go for a replacement key? Mine only has one and its a bit tired.


a1butch said:
Sometimes all it takes is a quiet open road and all the niggles just disappear.
Hopefully I can help on some of your questions / issues. I'm still a novice in TVR ownership but the learning curve is high!

2 - I believe this could be the door locking reset, although somebody else might be along to expand or offer more guidance - perhaps check the manual.

3 - This should change the speed of the intermittent wiper mode (again, in the TVR manual)

5 - Powers Performance and other TVR part suppliers have replacement options. I'm not sure of the exact replacement product though. (TVRs are built from various supplier buckets it seems so could be a stock Ford/Peugeot/Rover product)

6 - Join the club! you could speak to Carl Baker (google him) for advise on how to strengthen the signal. He's in the UK at the moment.

7 - Try taking off the door card and checking some of the metal brackets gluing the window mechanism to the door. One of mine snapped so was easily welded back.

a1butch

274 posts

214 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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The key itself is a Ford Fiesta I believe. Timpsons can cut you a new one.
Unfortunately it seems the original Meta/TVR remote fobs are no longer available. I was quoted £350 for one replacement by my local TVR dealer but they couldn't tell me if any stock was available(!) I called Carl baker and he sorted 2 new generic Meta remote fobs for considerably less than that. He has to grind a few internal areas to make the electrics fit, but looks fine.
Resident in France but works out of Taylor TVR (Kent) and TVR 101 (Surrey) for a set couple of weeks each year. If you phone him this week you might catch him in the country.




Edited by a1butch on Thursday 18th June 18:33

shep1001

4,616 posts

209 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Anyway, need advice on the following:

1 - Driver's window won't rise when the door is open, works fine when door is shut. Passenger side works both open and shut. Normal?! No - maybe the door ECU swap the LH & RH over and see if the issue swaps doors and then report back

2 - What does the button next to the internal passenger door release do? ejector seat.... sadly not but it locks the external door buttons & boot when the roof is down without locking the car.

3 - What does the little knurled black wheel on the right side of the steering column do? - Intermittent wiper speed adjust.

4 - I get an oil sensor warning on start up. Clears fine, but oil temp reading flicks between nothing and one bar. New sensor required? - No oil takes a little while to get to the sensor. Replace if its leaking or flashes error when on the move.

5 - Seatbelts are a bit tatty and don't really retract, is there a good quality replacement recommended? I suspect the don't retract because they are catching (especially with the roof down) new replacements can be had and you don't need to buy TVR ones at a premium. Don't buy second hand!

6 - Radio reception appears to be pretty much none existent. Yep, get a DAB or live with it, its rubbish!

7 - Drivers side window rattles when down and on a broken surface. - rattling on the metal door top, it won't when fully open

There's plenty of other bits that need sorting but either reading up has already given me answers, or I should be able to figure them out. However, for the record:

A - I melted on the way home, must sort the flaps and also the ball of molten lava next to the handbrake made from a small piece of the sun. Decats, fix the rubber boot round the gear stick and it will be a little better

B - Drivers door card is loose at the bottom. - 3 bolts in the bottom (look under the door)

C - Drivers door can be tricky to open. - New seals will fix this

D - Door, boot and hood seals could do with being renewed. (I have posted on this before - I think you asked)

E - High level brake light screws are rusted...as are many bits and pieces under the car...but not the chassis. Replace them they are small machine thread ones

F - Gear lever gator needs reattaching (provided extra warmth today just in case I wasn't melting enough already!)

G - Bit of trim to the right of the accelerator needs securing, kept catching it with my foot. - Velcro!

I'm sure there's more but I'll stop now as this post is already too long. Here's a picture...assuming my uploading skills haven't failed me.

TV8

3,375 posts

195 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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a1butch said:
The key itself is a Ford Fiesta I believe. Timpsons can cut you a new one.
Unfortunately it seems the original Meta/TVR remote fobs are no longer available. I was quoted £350 for one replacement by my local TVR dealer but they couldn't tell me if any stock was available(!) I called Carl baker and he sorted 2 new generic Meta remote fobs for considerably less than that. He has to grind a few internal areas to make the electrics fit, but looks fine.
Resident in France but works out of Taylor TVR (Kent) and TVR 101 (Surrey) for a set couple of weeks each year. If you phone him this week you might catch him in the country.




Edited by a1butch on Thursday 18th June 18:33
Carl Baker is at Dan Taylor's at the moment but be quick, he seems busy

Danstable

Original Poster:

203 posts

237 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Thanks all, have emailed Carl and will start to tackle the other jobs as and when I get an opportunity.

Cheers,

Dan