Red Rose engine mods - how much more when new?
Discussion
Plotloss said:
£4.5K is ringing a bell for some reason.
That being for the 400bhp 4 litre, Tuscan S discs and a few other bits.
That being for the 375BHP 3.6, Bigger discs, bigger bore zorst, and a lighter composit body material (40kg apparently). £4k + vat.
There are only 6 or 7 so 4.0L T350 around and they are by special order (begging) TVR for one...
Mr F
targarama said:
OK, suppose you're ordering a new T350 or Tamora. How much extra do the red rose options cost? Or even the 4.0 Tuscan S engine?
Anyone paid for one of these options from the factory?
Ta.
Hi targarama,
I don't know how much they would be now, but in March last year I paid an additional £2k for the lightweight bodyshell, a further 2k for the 375hp upgrade for the 3.6, and Tuscan S disks, as well as the large bore exhaust system.
I was also led to believe that the 4L 400hp option was never an 'official' option as it wasn't type approved, and that they'd only 'consider' it if you'd already spec'd the 4k up front for the standard red rose bits.
I don't know what the prices would be now (or even if they offer RR options on new models) - but am sure another PH'er will be able to tell us.
Hope that helps.
Rich.
Plotloss said:
There are only 6 or 7 so 4.0L T350 around and they are by special order (begging) TVR for one...
And here is one of them.
www.pistonheads.com/sales/detail.asp?i=35695&s=267
kmpowell said:
Plotloss said:
There are only 6 or 7 so 4.0L T350 around and they are by special order (begging) TVR for one...
And here is one of them.
www.pistonheads.com/sales/detail.asp?i=35695&s=267
How quick is that?
The Red Rose option for my Tamora is costing £3000 and includes:
I was told the light weight body is no longer available and that the 4.0l upgrade is no longer available for the Tamora direct from the factory - ony through TVR Power as an aftermarket upgrade.
Just to recap this is for the 2005 Tamora, I have no idea if this holds true for the T350. Best to check with your dealer or the factory for the final answer....
- Blueprinted 375 bhp 3.6 Speed Six
- 374 bhp @ 7800rpm
- 395 NM @ 5800 rpm
- Tuscan S discs front and rear
- 322 mm ventilated discs with 4-pot calipers
- 298 mm ventilated discs with single caliper
- Large bore freeflow exhaust
I was told the light weight body is no longer available and that the 4.0l upgrade is no longer available for the Tamora direct from the factory - ony through TVR Power as an aftermarket upgrade.
Just to recap this is for the 2005 Tamora, I have no idea if this holds true for the T350. Best to check with your dealer or the factory for the final answer....
blackmonday said:
The Red Rose option for my Tamora is costing £3000 and includes:
- Blueprinted 375 bhp 3.6 Speed Six
- 374 bhp @ 7800rpm
- 395 NM @ 5800 rpm
- Tuscan S discs front and rear
- 322 mm ventilated discs with 4-pot calipers
- 298 mm ventilated discs with single caliper
- Large bore freeflow exhaust
I was told the light weight body is no longer available and that the 4.0l upgrade is no longer available for the Tamora direct from the factory - ony through TVR Power as an aftermarket upgrade.
Just to recap this is for the 2005 Tamora, I have no idea if this holds true for the T350. Best to check with your dealer or the factory for the final answer....
The aftermarket engine upgrade is £4900 + Vat for the 4.0 red rose conversion. Not too sure they will do it for a Tamora, BUT, they do for the t350, and it goes like a rocket compared to the red rose 350 (375 model)
Mr F
My honest opinion is that you're wasting your money. Why pay all that money for effectively 30bhp, which will make feck-all real world difference?
If you were getting 100bhp, I would say go for it, because then you really would feel a difference!
The brake upgrade isn't really necessary either, unless it increases feel and modulation - the standard brakes are a bit wooden in feel, but the stopping power is spectacularly good anyway.
If I had £3k burning a hole in my pocket, I would try to find someone who would make me a folding hood for my Tamora (obviously not applicable to a T350)
If you were getting 100bhp, I would say go for it, because then you really would feel a difference!
The brake upgrade isn't really necessary either, unless it increases feel and modulation - the standard brakes are a bit wooden in feel, but the stopping power is spectacularly good anyway.
If I had £3k burning a hole in my pocket, I would try to find someone who would make me a folding hood for my Tamora (obviously not applicable to a T350)
nubbin said:
My honest opinion is that you're wasting your money. Why pay all that money for effectively 30bhp, which will make feck-all real world difference?
If you were getting 100bhp, I would say go for it, because then you really would feel a difference!
The brake upgrade isn't really necessary either, unless it increases feel and modulation - the standard brakes are a bit wooden in feel, but the stopping power is spectacularly good anyway.
If I had £3k burning a hole in my pocket, I would try to find someone who would make me a folding hood for my Tamora (obviously not applicable to a T350)
Agree with all points 100%
In the real world, in real conditions, the standard cars don't use a fraction of their performance 99% of the time, and if you use all of what they have to give, you'll chicken out before the car does! (well, I do anyway!!)
Horses for courses. If you're happy to spend most of your time playing tunes on exhausts, or experimenting with different polishes so you can discuss the differences on here 
rather than actually using your car... the brake upgrade is probably not worthwhile.
If however, if you use the car for more than just the odd track day, you will find the brakes soon protest and become a spectacular weak point. I believe the brake upgrade is worthwhile.
30 extra BHP (not sure about the Torque increase) a revised exhaust that will allow further future tuning of an engine (constrained by the standard exhaust as installed in the T350) and a big brake conversion all for £3k is real value for money. All IMHO of course.
>> Edited by Daftlad on Tuesday 17th May 11:47
rather than actually using your car... the brake upgrade is probably not worthwhile. If however, if you use the car for more than just the odd track day, you will find the brakes soon protest and become a spectacular weak point. I believe the brake upgrade is worthwhile.
30 extra BHP (not sure about the Torque increase) a revised exhaust that will allow further future tuning of an engine (constrained by the standard exhaust as installed in the T350) and a big brake conversion all for £3k is real value for money. All IMHO of course.
>> Edited by Daftlad on Tuesday 17th May 11:47
I owned the T405C for sale on PH. Before this I had two standard T350C cars.
I respectfully suggest that unless you have driven one you really cannot comment on the difference.
It's not just the power increase, but the larger capacity engine and higher torque output make a huge difference to everyday driving.
The 4 litre high output engine really puts the car in another league for performance, especiallly at lower revs. Having driven the Sagaris I also understood how some people feel that it does not 'seem' that fast. the bigger engine makes everything seem so effortless. The 3.6 is by comparison quite hard work, you really have to rev it.However,some people like the hi revving nature of the 3.6 and RR engines. Its great to have the option.
I guess the final say must go to TVR - they must have put the big engine in the Sagaris for some reason....
Regards
Nicholas
I respectfully suggest that unless you have driven one you really cannot comment on the difference.
It's not just the power increase, but the larger capacity engine and higher torque output make a huge difference to everyday driving.
The 4 litre high output engine really puts the car in another league for performance, especiallly at lower revs. Having driven the Sagaris I also understood how some people feel that it does not 'seem' that fast. the bigger engine makes everything seem so effortless. The 3.6 is by comparison quite hard work, you really have to rev it.However,some people like the hi revving nature of the 3.6 and RR engines. Its great to have the option.
I guess the final say must go to TVR - they must have put the big engine in the Sagaris for some reason....
Regards
Nicholas
nubbin said:
If I had £3k burning a hole in my pocket, I would try to find someone who would make me a folding hood for my Tamora (obviously not applicable to a T350)
I also agree with you on this - do you reckon there are any roof companies we could approach to investigate this possibility, with a group buy discount?
nicks said:
I owned the T405C for sale on PH. Before this I had two standard T350C cars.
I respectfully suggest that unless you have driven one you really cannot comment on the difference.
It's not just the power increase, but the larger capacity engine and higher torque output make a huge difference to everyday driving.
The 4 litre high output engine really puts the car in another league for performance, especiallly at lower revs. Having driven the Sagaris I also understood how some people feel that it does not 'seem' that fast. the bigger engine makes everything seem so effortless. The 3.6 is by comparison quite hard work, you really have to rev it.However,some people like the hi revving nature of the 3.6 and RR engines. Its great to have the option.
I guess the final say must go to TVR - they must have put the big engine in the Sagaris for some reason....
Regards
Nicholas
Agreed
, especially if you're heavily into track days and such like, or do a lot of continental driving, however, for us stuck trapsing along the roads in this country, I increasingly find I cannot use even a fraction of the power my car has, you go to accelerate, then old man in Daewoo pulls out in front of you, or there's a scamera just up the road, or you're stuck behind lorry after lorry on single track, what used to be excellent driving roads. This is the real world in the UK today. I have to admit that I have never found the 3.6 hard work, and I was suprised at how little difference there was when I had a good drive in a Tuscan S, although I'm sure the top end is quite ballistic, but, true to form, I wasn't able to test that out on our UK roads!
The one thing I noticed driving the Sagaris on the road was the nice torque curve. I would like this in the T350. It was akin to a 5.0 vs a 4.5 Rover V8 - low down torque where the standard 3.6 is a bit wimpy. I don't feel short changed though, but you can never have too much (unless its a Speed Twelve).
On a track this would be less useful than on the road as the track is where the Speed Six thrives due to its revvy nature IMO.
On a track this would be less useful than on the road as the track is where the Speed Six thrives due to its revvy nature IMO.
Having gone from a Tuscan s to a T350 ( Which is a fantastic car- handling way better.) I miss the torque
a fair bit. The T 350 is blindingly fast once spooled up,but it was a suporise and I do keep reading all these posts about Red rosing and it does make me think I might just do it.
I don't know if there is a different set of gear ratios in the mix as well -but it feels mild below 4000
a fair bit. The T 350 is blindingly fast once spooled up,but it was a suporise and I do keep reading all these posts about Red rosing and it does make me think I might just do it.
I don't know if there is a different set of gear ratios in the mix as well -but it feels mild below 4000
AlexRWD said:
If I had £3k burning a hole in my pocket, I would try to find someone who would make me a folding hood for my Tamora (obviously not applicable to a T350)
I also agree with you on this - do you reckon there are any roof companies we could approach to investigate this possibility, with a group buy discount?
I don't know Alex - there must be someone out there! I wouldn't know where to start looking. i'll post this as a separate issue to see what everyone says...
Daftlad said:
Horses for courses. If you're happy to spend most of your time playing tunes on exhausts, or experimenting with different polishes so you can discuss the differences on here
If however, if you use the car for more than just the odd track day, you will find the brakes soon protest and become a spectacular weak point. I believe the brake upgrade is worthwhile.
30 extra BHP (not sure about the Torque increase) a revised exhaust that will allow further future tuning of an engine (constrained by the standard exhaust as installed in the T350) and a big brake conversion all for £3k is real value for money. All IMHO of course.
>> Edited by Daftlad on Tuesday 17th May 11:47
Spot on Daftlad! The reason I went for a Tam Red Rose with 375 bhp was because I could! Plus the brakes do bite when you stomp on them.
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