Autocar: Sagaris road test
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[b]“Brutal, beautiful and easily the best TVR in history”[/b]
Anyone read the Autocar article yet (6 pages)? It gushes over nearly every aspect of the car including the performance, the great handling, the ’mighty’ brakes and the good build quality.
Good performance figs too, 0-60mph in 3.9secs, 0-100mph in 8.5secs
An immensely positive article, well done TVR! :clap:
[pic]http://www.boomspeed.com/impreza/SagarisAutocar.jpg[/pic]
As always, I’ve scanned the article for those who can’t get Autocar in their country…..so if you want a copy just drop me an e-mail.
Anyone read the Autocar article yet (6 pages)? It gushes over nearly every aspect of the car including the performance, the great handling, the ’mighty’ brakes and the good build quality.
Good performance figs too, 0-60mph in 3.9secs, 0-100mph in 8.5secs
An immensely positive article, well done TVR! :clap:
[pic]http://www.boomspeed.com/impreza/SagarisAutocar.jpg[/pic]
As always, I’ve scanned the article for those who can’t get Autocar in their country…..so if you want a copy just drop me an e-mail.
WOW! 0-100 in 8.5 is minging! I didn't think it would be under nine what with the ordinary bodywork etc. (the cars were originally going to have lightweight vinylester bodywork).
Really chuffed with that. It's on a par with a cat F40, quicker than the new, heck make that any recent Ferrari other than the Enzo. Must be quicker than a Porsche GT2 as well I reckon. Holy moses that's a lot of performance for 50k!
Really chuffed with that. It's on a par with a cat F40, quicker than the new, heck make that any recent Ferrari other than the Enzo. Must be quicker than a Porsche GT2 as well I reckon. Holy moses that's a lot of performance for 50k!
Will look out for this tomorrow ....thanks for the heads up on it and I would really appreciate a scanned copy...so YHM 
I am interested to hear about the brakes....
Mmmm......
The pits has said his braskes are really good....Castles are having a look at our at the mo......just as well methinks!!!!
YP
I am interested to hear about the brakes....
Mmmm......
The pits has said his braskes are really good....Castles are having a look at our at the mo......just as well methinks!!!!
YP
washy said:
The 0-60 and 0-100mph times sound right. Considering it requires nil gear shifts to hit 60 and only one easy (i.e. no through the gate) shift to hit the ton. Add to that the sticky Dunlops and presto!!
60 in 1st? Are you sure? I thought that was only with the close ratio gearbox?
_DeeJay_ said:
The 0-60 and 0-100mph times sound right. Considering it requires nil gear shifts to hit 60 and only one easy (i.e. no through the gate) shift to hit the ton. Add to that the sticky Dunlops and presto!!
60 in 1st? Are you sure? I thought that was only with the close ratio gearbox?
The car tested - had the CR box
It was the best and most through test that I've seen on a TVR for years .. go buy it !
rev-erend said:
Extremly good performance figures. I wonder what BHP the press spec cars have?
Judging by all the facts and figures - looks like there was no cheating going on but I would put money on them blue printing the press car engines..
I wish I shared your faith in honest testing.
The car will almost certainly not have been running the same BHP as the car a normal punter would buy from his/her dealer - unless of course you were lucky enough to buy one of the initial dealer demos that were specificaly specified with Press Engines.
EVERY performance car maker cheats where possible on press cars but unlike turbo cars it's much harder (and not cost effective) to make serious bhp gains. I have heard rumour that 'press' engines do exist but it really can't be much more than standard. After all the GT cars don't produce masses more power than 400 bhp and they must cost tens of thousands more to produce.
I think it's likely perhaps that tvr select engines off the line that dyno test higher than others, given there's always a small variation between individual engines. Or at least they make sure the press cars have the full complement of ponies in them. Most car makers dyno all their engines before sale to guarantee a minimum power output. This allows for some engines to produce over that amount. So say a 4.0S produced 410 bhp, it's probably going to end up in a press car. I call that standard but optimal and hardly cheating like turbo cars can so easily.
I had a car that was tuned and leant to a car magazine for a test. Of course no one mentioned a thing...
I thought the 4.0S engine was blueprinted anyway?
I think it's likely perhaps that tvr select engines off the line that dyno test higher than others, given there's always a small variation between individual engines. Or at least they make sure the press cars have the full complement of ponies in them. Most car makers dyno all their engines before sale to guarantee a minimum power output. This allows for some engines to produce over that amount. So say a 4.0S produced 410 bhp, it's probably going to end up in a press car. I call that standard but optimal and hardly cheating like turbo cars can so easily.
I had a car that was tuned and leant to a car magazine for a test. Of course no one mentioned a thing...
I thought the 4.0S engine was blueprinted anyway?
the pits said:
EVERY performance car maker cheats where possible on press cars but unlike turbo cars it's much harder (and not cost effective) to make serious bhp gains. I have heard rumour that 'press' engines do exist but it really can't be much more than standard. After all the GT cars don't produce masses more power than 400 bhp and they must cost tens of thousands more to produce.
I think it's likely perhaps that tvr select engines off the line that dyno test higher than others, given there's always a small variation between individual engines. Or at least they make sure the press cars have the full complement of ponies in them. Most car makers dyno all their engines before sale to guarantee a minimum power output. This allows for some engines to produce over that amount. So say a 4.0S produced 410 bhp, it's probably going to end up in a press car. I call that standard but optimal and hardly cheating like turbo cars can so easily.
I had a car that was tuned and leant to a car magazine for a test. Of course no one mentioned a thing...
I thought the 4.0S engine was blueprinted anyway?
GT cars are restricted.
TVR do not dyno their engines as a matter of course.
TVR do produce Press Spec engines that are built as such.
Never did believe the performance figures for turbo'd cars, or TVRs since I found one of their 390 SEs was actually powered by a 4.2 solid lifter engines.
A Sagaris won't be any quicker than a Tuscan S. I suspect a good standard Tuscan S would be low to mid 9s to a 100mph with a CR box and soft rubber.
Daftlad said:8.08secs for the press Tuscan S on soft rubber, 8.1secs on normal tyres. A while back someone on here timed their standard/normal tyred Tuscan S and managed a 0-100mph time of 8.74secs. To be honest I thought the Sagaris would have been quicker to 100mph due to the increased power and torque coupled with the sticky tyres.....but then again we're dealing with milliseconds here and that time could easily be improved.
A Sagaris won't be any quicker than a Tuscan S. I suspect a good standard Tuscan S would be low to mid 9s to a 100mph with a CR box and soft rubber.
I saw those times too. Very impressive and make the Sagaris time seem about right to me. The tuscan was known to squat under acceleration for more traction so that might work in its favour for 0-100. I also saw a 9.1 sec time to 100 from a tamora.
minging stands for nasty fast where I come from!
minging stands for nasty fast where I come from!
Supersonic said:
A Sagaris won't be any quicker than a Tuscan S. I suspect a good standard Tuscan S would be low to mid 9s to a 100mph with a CR box and soft rubber.
8.08secs for the press Tuscan S on soft rubber, 8.1secs on normal tyres. A while back someone on here timed their standard/normal tyred Tuscan S and managed a 0-100mph time of 8.74secs. To be honest I thought the Sagaris would have been quicker to 100mph due to the increased power and torque coupled with the sticky tyres.....but then again we're dealing with milliseconds here and that time could easily be improved.
Obviously there is a greater variation in press engines than I thought.
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