Sagaris v Marcos TSO GT2
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Well, it's got us by the balls in a straight line fight. Damn thing has just too much torque, esp lower down. If you want to stay with one, it is down into 2nd and 3rd and be waiting for him to give it the juice. Anticipate his move and be on the throttle instantly. Keep the Sagaris above 5k rpm and we can just about hang in there.
Back on the twisties, it is no slouch, but we get to nick our balls back and take a chunk out of theirs.
It is hellish fast though in a straight line, as in hellish hellish fast and the 475 brake unit looks like being a serious SOB.
Back on the twisties, it is no slouch, but we get to nick our balls back and take a chunk out of theirs.
It is hellish fast though in a straight line, as in hellish hellish fast and the 475 brake unit looks like being a serious SOB.
Not my cup of tea but a worthy alternative to a 'Gris. About the same price IIRC?
Nice interior IMO
I still live in hope of a 440bhp Sagaris to come along and blow all the opposition into the weeds. Hell, let's go the whole hog and make it a 585bhp supercharged 4.2ltr Speed Six
. It's about time TVR started upping the bhp stakes!
PP
>> Edited by PinkPanther on Friday 30th September 21:00
Nice interior IMO
I still live in hope of a 440bhp Sagaris to come along and blow all the opposition into the weeds. Hell, let's go the whole hog and make it a 585bhp supercharged 4.2ltr Speed Six
. It's about time TVR started upping the bhp stakes! PP
>> Edited by PinkPanther on Friday 30th September 21:00
stainless_steve said:
Love the saggy,but the Marcos would be my choice and personally i think it is the better car all round.Infact i have a very hard choice to make over the next few months,and yes i am a TVR enthusiast.
To be honest Steve they are different cars entirely. The Marcos is a GT and is a better GT than the 'Gris, the 'Gris though is a better sports car than the Marcos. I prefer the looks, both exterior and interior of the 'Gris still over the Gt2, but the looks of it are growing on me.
Ill do a test drive and report soon enough.
richb said:
Have you been in one? They were side by side at the Griff Growl and the interior of the Marcos was so cramped as to be laughable. Rich...
I wouldn't want to go back to 'cramped'
The Cerb was cramped.
The amazing thing about the Sagaris is that it feels like a normal car to sit in but morphs into something completley different the moment you use the right foot.
We do lots of long journeys and, as I said on the other forum, I would happily give a couple of seconds away to retain the comfort factor when we're not side by side with another marque or hurling it round the twisties on track.
Has anyone else driven a car with the counters off centre like that....should think it takes a fair bit of getting used to.
YP
DJC said:
Well, it's got us by the balls in a straight line fight. Damn thing has just too much torque, esp lower down. If you want to stay with one, it is down into 2nd and 3rd and be waiting for him to give it the juice. Anticipate his move and be on the throttle instantly. Keep the Sagaris above 5k rpm and we can just about hang in there.
Back on the twisties, it is no slouch, but we get to nick our balls back and take a chunk out of theirs.
It is hellish fast though in a straight line, as in hellish hellish fast and the 475 brake unit looks like being a serious SOB.
Did you actually race one, or just dream all this up from looking at the figures available on paper?
DJC said:
Well, it's got us by the balls in a straight line fight. Damn thing has just too much torque, esp lower down. If you want to stay with one, it is down into 2nd and 3rd and be waiting for him to give it the juice. Anticipate his move and be on the throttle instantly. Keep the Sagaris above 5k rpm and we can just about hang in there.
Back on the twisties, it is no slouch, but we get to nick our balls back and take a chunk out of theirs.
It is hellish fast though in a straight line, as in hellish hellish fast and the 475 brake unit looks like being a serious SOB.
That surprises me. Marcos told me 4secs 0-60, while the Sagaris is 3.7.
I realise you were probably starting and finishing at higher speeds, but is one of them wrong?
As to other aspects, the Marcos has more boot space, though it's oddly shaped. But the driving position is skewed and the frame is two or three millimetres from a normally positioned, normal size head, which makes it feel horribly cramped.
charltm said:
Well, it's got us by the balls in a straight line fight. Damn thing has just too much torque, esp lower down. If you want to stay with one, it is down into 2nd and 3rd and be waiting for him to give it the juice. Anticipate his move and be on the throttle instantly. Keep the Sagaris above 5k rpm and we can just about hang in there.
Back on the twisties, it is no slouch, but we get to nick our balls back and take a chunk out of theirs.
It is hellish fast though in a straight line, as in hellish hellish fast and the 475 brake unit looks like being a serious SOB.
That surprises me. Marcos told me 4secs 0-60, while the Sagaris is 3.7.
I realise you were probably starting and finishing at higher speeds, but is one of them wrong?
As to other aspects, the Marcos has more boot space, though it's oddly shaped. But the driving position is skewed and the frame is two or three millimetres from a normally positioned, normal size head, which makes it feel horribly cramped.
The interior is changing, the seat height in being dropped and the seats AIUI are being changed anyway. There are definately plans to give the interior more room.
As for performance, well, Im settling for seriously helish quick. I wont repeat the figures given to me by the Marcos dude cos they are essentially conjuecture only, but a GT2 leaves a Sagaris in a straight line once yer on a roll.
Come on you lot! The styling's all over the place. The wheels shown above are ghastly and the central instruments are nasty and cheap and presumably done just to save money going from left to right hand drive. Otherwise it's just stupid to have important instruments out of your line of sight.
I would never, ever consider this as alternative to the Sagaris. The corvette Z06 maybe, but this Marcos? No thanks. The old ones were much better and more unusual.
I would never, ever consider this as alternative to the Sagaris. The corvette Z06 maybe, but this Marcos? No thanks. The old ones were much better and more unusual.
the pits said:Well that's also what I thought but I wasn't going to be so blunt about the way I put it
Come on you lot! The styling's all over the place. The wheels shown above are ghastly and the central instruments are nasty and cheap and presumably done just to save money going from left to right hand drive. Otherwise it's just stupid to have important instruments out of your line of sight.
rich...richb said:
Come on you lot! The styling's all over the place. The wheels shown above are ghastly and the central instruments are nasty and cheap and presumably done just to save money going from left to right hand drive. Otherwise it's just stupid to have important instruments out of your line of sight.
Well that's also what I thought but I wasn't going to be so blunt about the way I put it
LOL, me too!!!! I felt that its trying too hard to shout, ''HEY, you TVR V8 owning lovers, look at this, you can have the stunning looks of the T350 we've ripped off so blatentley, but have the comfort of the V8 at the same time!'' It looks like an amalgamation of wholly unoriginal ideas, tbh, and of course, imoho.
Do you think it is a T350 rip off? I hope you dont because in my opinion the Marcos is an ugly thing.
I did send them an enquiry some time ago about their car and I am still awaiting a reply. Which is quite bad particularly as a very good friend is the girlfriend of someone relatively important at Marcos and new I could be interested.
hey ho, we now have a blackpool special instead.
I did send them an enquiry some time ago about their car and I am still awaiting a reply. Which is quite bad particularly as a very good friend is the girlfriend of someone relatively important at Marcos and new I could be interested.
hey ho, we now have a blackpool special instead.
charltm said:
Just noticed that the test of the GTO2 on Pistonheads suggests 10 secs 0-100, which ought to be a couple of secs slower than the Sagaris.
If that's very wrong DJC, then it brings another car into my potential purchase equation (which isn't nevessarily a good thing!).
Marcos have admitted that the tyres are not the grippiest possible, hence the modest 0-60. Believe it has been set up to "have fun with" (like a MX5?) rather than maximum outright grip? On numbers, the GT2 has a higher power to weight than the 7 litre Vette since its over 200kgs lighter!!
TVR, more power required 
further up in this thread someone said said:
still live in hope of a 440bhp Sagaris to come along and blow all the opposition into the weeds. Hell, let's go the whole hog and make it a 585bhp supercharged 4.2ltr Speed Six . It's about time TVR started upping the bhp stakes!
As for supercharging the 4200cc S6 unit, I think thats a fairly unwise descision to make as TVR themselves basically acknowledged the frailties of the 4.2 when they decided to supercharge the 4.0 unit instead. Although if they could make the 4.2 unit "safe" for the horsepower levels I think more than 600bhp would be possible fairly easily
. Remember that the Typhon's 585bhp is a restricted figure, it was actually making about 680bhp (IIRC) before TVR decided that was silly power and brought it down a peg.
>> Edited by W333 on Sunday 2nd October 19:12
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