Tamora rebuild register
Discussion
rfisher said:
Anyone think that it would be nice to be able to see at a glance how many Tamoras have had an engine rebuild, at what mileage and year of manufacture?
To be brutally honest, no. Why increase the discontent of existing owners and keep flogging the issue of rebuilds..? IMO it's only a bad thing...
Podie said:
To be brutally honest, no. Why increase the discontent of existing owners and keep flogging the issue of rebuilds..? IMO it's only a bad thing...
OK - I understand what you're saying.
I'm not trying to increase discontent among TVR owners - I am one. I've spent my money (quite a lot of it) on a Tamora which I think is a cracking car.
I've also had TVRs for around the last 20 years so I ain't no Troll.
I want to know, with some accuracy, what percentage of Tamora engines fail early.
I want this information because, if it happens to me and my warranty company won't pay for a rebuild, I will seriously consider taking TVR to the small claims court for the cost of the rebuild.
I think that this information could be obtained relatively easily via the Tamora register.
I also think that, if there is a problem with the Speed 6, then it is in our interest to know about it and ensure it gets sorted out.
Bottom line is that I want to keep driving TVRs and for the cars to be as good as they can be.
Podie said:
To be brutally honest, no. Why increase the discontent of existing owners and keep flogging the issue of rebuilds..? IMO it's only a bad thing...
Total agree, Speed6 TVR residual values are near rock bottom as it is why "fuel the fire" and scare off more potential owners who think it`s just Tuscans that need engine work 
ginner said:
You could put the info on the Tam register, but there are only about 70 Tams registered on there. Will it give you a represenatative sample?
75 at the last count.
If only 300-500 have been made so far then I think information on 75 would be very useful to indicate whether or not there is a problem and what percentage of cars are affected.
Let me also say that I'm not yet convinced that the Sp6 problems are still with us and haven't been addressed quietly by TVR.
I think it would be nice to know exactly what the figures are - don't you?
rfisher said:
To be brutally honest, no. Why increase the discontent of existing owners and keep flogging the issue of rebuilds..? IMO it's only a bad thing...
OK - I understand what you're saying.
I'm not trying to increase discontent among TVR owners - I am one. I've spent my money (quite a lot of it) on a Tamora which I think is a cracking car.
I've also had TVRs for around the last 20 years so I ain't no Troll.
I want to know, with some accuracy, what percentage of Tamora engines fail early.
I want this information because, if it happens to me and my warranty company won't pay for a rebuild, I will seriously consider taking TVR to the small claims court for the cost of the rebuild.
I think that this information could be obtained relatively easily via the Tamora register.
I also think that, if there is a problem with the Speed 6, then it is in our interest to know about it and ensure it gets sorted out.
Bottom line is that I want to keep driving TVRs and for the cars to be as good as they can be.
I'm certainly not claiming you're a troll and like yourself, I have a passion for TVRs.
There have been issues with the Speed 6 engine, and they may or may not have been resolved. I know of one Tuscan owner that has had no less than four rebuilds... but each time the issue crops up it only ever seems to get messy.
I genuinely fancy moving to a Tamora, I think it's a cracking car, but each time I come onto PH someone else is asking about Sp6 engines, rebuilds and mentioning court action... I'm a hardcore enthusiast of the marque, and it has been enough to deter me from moving to one...
Like everyone else I get fed up of hearing about the Speed Six Engine, I managed to get a post locked yesterday by some Troll spouting about the reliability issues.
However I would be very interested in the failure rate on Tam's/T350's because the majority of the research I have seen appears to have us believe that the problem mainly lies with Tuscans.
Of course that is not necessarily the case because it could be the bigger numbers that Tuscan's have been built in. I have also formed the opinion that the biggest proportion of affected cars were built between 2001 -2002 (Again this maybe wrong)
I am quite happy to give an update on our 2005 vehicle (to see if the problems have been rectified. At the present time it is 4 weeks old and has completed 1,700 miles. At 12 months old I would expect it to have done 20K
However I would be very interested in the failure rate on Tam's/T350's because the majority of the research I have seen appears to have us believe that the problem mainly lies with Tuscans.
Of course that is not necessarily the case because it could be the bigger numbers that Tuscan's have been built in. I have also formed the opinion that the biggest proportion of affected cars were built between 2001 -2002 (Again this maybe wrong)
I am quite happy to give an update on our 2005 vehicle (to see if the problems have been rectified. At the present time it is 4 weeks old and has completed 1,700 miles. At 12 months old I would expect it to have done 20K
Interesting to see there is a topic running on the Porsche section of Pistonheads
It's called 997s Engine Failure
In that topic someone has posted that Porsche engine failures are quite common.
Now those of us that have owned Porsches know there are problems with Rear Main Seals, we also have seen the many pictures of rows of blown engines sat outside Porsche dealers
Makes you think doesn't it. Everyone is happy to have a dig at the Speed Six, but god forbid anyone would admit to Porsche's or any other manufacturer having a problem.
>> Edited by alloypearltam on Friday 21st October 09:17
It's called 997s Engine Failure
In that topic someone has posted that Porsche engine failures are quite common.
Now those of us that have owned Porsches know there are problems with Rear Main Seals, we also have seen the many pictures of rows of blown engines sat outside Porsche dealers
Makes you think doesn't it. Everyone is happy to have a dig at the Speed Six, but god forbid anyone would admit to Porsche's or any other manufacturer having a problem.
>> Edited by alloypearltam on Friday 21st October 09:17
alloypearltam said:
Makes you think doesn't it. Everyone is happy to have a dig at the Speed Six, but god forbid anyone would admit to Porsche's or any other manufacturer having a problem.
Will go and have a read (but not post)... that said, is the manufacturer more willing to help..?
Oh, and don't mention Boxster clutches... Top Gear smoked all of them, and the Tamora stayed together
>> Edited by Podie on Friday 21st October 09:14
Thats a good point Podie. Obviously if the car is in warranty I guess the answer is yes. I wouldnt like to say what the answer would be if you are out of warranty and haven't extended your cover.
I think the answer is probably dependent upon how far out of warranty you are and in the case of Porsche if the car is an import. I am pretty certain I have been on Porsche Forums (Owners Club included) and seen stories of people having to fork out £10K for engine rebuilds on 996's out of warranty.
I think the answer is probably dependent upon how far out of warranty you are and in the case of Porsche if the car is an import. I am pretty certain I have been on Porsche Forums (Owners Club included) and seen stories of people having to fork out £10K for engine rebuilds on 996's out of warranty.
on that thread simonharrod911 said:
I think Porsche engine failure is common enough for a replacement not to hurt it's value too much. Having said that it's something for a potential buyer to haggle over.
Blimey!
I had no idea. Seems that Porsche will just replace it though, rather than having to haggle a rebuild like TVR
Tell you what guys, it is REALLY nice to discuss this topic in a sensible fashion... I hope this thread doesn't deteriorate.
I currently have a Chim 500. However, if I decide to trade up my next TVR is likely to be either a Tamora or a Tuscan, so the SP6 issues are of considerable interest to me.
The concept of a register I think is essentially a good one as I for one find it very difficult to judge the scale of the SP6 problem. For example, drawing on what I've either read or have been told first hand, the SP6 failure rates seem to be different depending on the year, engine size, whether it's a "stock" or upgraded engine such as the "red rose" conversion or the "S" spec engine. Also, I'd like to know the success rate on engines rebuilt by either TVR or Autocraft.
TVR are unlikely to ever publish any stats concerning SP6 failure rates and rebuild success rates, so the only data out there that can be published is with the owners.
The problem in practice with a register like the one being suggested is that it is likely to be mis-used and treated as an SP6 "slagging" forum. Also, to balance things out and to be able to get a better picture on the SP6 issues, you need to have a another register of cars that haven't had a rebuild.
The concept of a register I think is essentially a good one as I for one find it very difficult to judge the scale of the SP6 problem. For example, drawing on what I've either read or have been told first hand, the SP6 failure rates seem to be different depending on the year, engine size, whether it's a "stock" or upgraded engine such as the "red rose" conversion or the "S" spec engine. Also, I'd like to know the success rate on engines rebuilt by either TVR or Autocraft.
TVR are unlikely to ever publish any stats concerning SP6 failure rates and rebuild success rates, so the only data out there that can be published is with the owners.
The problem in practice with a register like the one being suggested is that it is likely to be mis-used and treated as an SP6 "slagging" forum. Also, to balance things out and to be able to get a better picture on the SP6 issues, you need to have a another register of cars that haven't had a rebuild.
Podie said:
Tell you what guys, it is REALLY nice to discuss this topic in a sensible fashion... I hope this thread doesn't deteriorate.
I agree Podie-this is really refreshing.
It was interesting to me to see how the recent attempt to update the catalogue of Speed 6 failures seemed to reinforce TVR's claim that the bulk of the problems were experienced from 2000 to 2001/2. Its also interesting to me that TVR have made changes to components like the camshaft,the guides,the oil feed which would clearly have an effect on reliability but have attracted little comment. This sort of improvement is a normal part of product development and other manufacturers do it all the time.Personally I think TVR are on the case-but within the current hypersensitive climate have to be very cautious in how they deal with claims.I just can't beleive a business would extend a 36 month warranty without have some confidense their product will perform beyond that-it would be financial suicide to do so.
The Speed 6 is a fine engine which has experienced a very difficult birth. Possibly it was under developed to bein with,but I have great confidense in mine and just love the way it performs.
I am not suprised to hear that Porsche has its problems,any engine that is in a high state of tune will have a higher rate of failure than a conventional family load lugger.That TVR appear to have a high failure rate is simple statistics-there are few manufacturers who exclusively manufacture highly stressed engines-the Boxster is relatively understressed for example.I have always wanted to know the total number of Speed 6 failure as a ratio of the total manufactured-that would be a helpfull perspective.
By all means add it to the Register, but you need to look out for stats bias. At the moment, I would hazard that satisfied owners like me are more likely to post to the register than those less happy. Equally if the register becomes a gripe area, it will become biased in favour of blow outs.
Personally my 2005 RR SP6 has gone like a dream and the only drawback has been reading all the doom & gloom here!
Personally my 2005 RR SP6 has gone like a dream and the only drawback has been reading all the doom & gloom here!
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