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New Sagaris reviewed in December's EVO Magazine 25/11/2006
"The 2007 Sagaris - It's still here, and it's more enjoyable than ever.
It was with a sense of resigned sadness that we absorbed the news of TVR's closure. The writing had been on the wall for some months, we said. Job losses, management changes, falling sales and a mysterious owner with uncertain motives all pointed to a sad but inevitable end to Britain's most exciting and nonconformist car maker.
Then we had more news. Apparently TVR's death had been greatly exaggerated, and though production at the factory in Blackpool had ceased, the company would live on, with production shifted to Italy and engines developed by a highly regarded British specialist to comply with Euro V legislation. While still extremely sad for those facing redundancy in Blackpool, solace could be taken from the bigger picture: TVR would live on.
By sheer coincidence, in the midst of this tumult we had a Sagaris booked in for assessment. At first we thought it would be cancelled, but no, the car would be delivered so that we could see the direction in which TVR was heading. And no, it wasn't sideways for the nearest apex.
In the old days, a revised TVR usually meant a faster, louder, meaner TVR. As a diversionary tactic it generally worked a treat, for you'd never hear a loyal TVR customer complain about more power for fear of his sexuality being drawn into question. However, newcomers to the brand, those vital 'conquest' customers used to the quirk-free functionality of Porches and BMWs, were finding TVR's flaky finishing and wonky ergonomics as off-putting as the performance was overwhelming.
So, instead of reporting on a sexier, more savage Sagaris, I'm here to tell you about things like washer jets fixed to the scuttle instead of floppy rubber tubes lashed to the windscreen wipers; supportive Sparco seats that don't wobble during hard acceleration, braking or cornering; new floor-hinged pedals made with a curve so that you don't have to overextend your ankles to fully depress the clutch or accelerator; tailgate glass with a beautiful alloy latch instead of a recess designed solely to pinch your fingers; rear-exiting exhausts that spit and pop but don't resonate; and bodywork that doesn't act as a trap for every leaf, granite chipping and errant cigarette butt. The list goes on.
Do people buy a TVR for its ergonomics? Of course not. But doubtless there are those who don't buy a TVR because of its ergonomics. It's this line of argument that the new management is applying. It's all very un-TVR, but addressing long-standing quality, comfort, ergonomics and functionality issues are what the cars - and many of the customers - have been crying out for.
Naturally, a TVR wouldn't be a TVR without blood and thunder performance, something the Sagaris remains eminently capable of delivering. The familiar straight-six is as guttural as ever, and while the 400 Blackpudlian horses feel slightly smaller than their Bavarian counterparts, the Sagaris is still a formidable tool to work with on typical British A and B-roads. The chassis, without doubt TVR's best to date, is quick-witted but more forgiving than you'd think, and while you need your wits about you to compensate for the lack of ABS, traction control and other modern accoutrements, it's a pure, challenging and invigorating experience. Business as usual, then.
Improving but not sanitising the product is a fine line to tread, for quirkiness is a definite TVR trademark. However, if our experience of the subtly but effectively revised Sagaris is anything to go by, polishing out a few of the flaws frees you up to enjoy the driving even more.
EVO Rating: 4.5 stars out of 5
Richard Meaden."
Sounds good eh? Does bring some of the flaws of the pre '07 models into pretty harsh perspective though!
"The 2007 Sagaris - It's still here, and it's more enjoyable than ever.
It was with a sense of resigned sadness that we absorbed the news of TVR's closure. The writing had been on the wall for some months, we said. Job losses, management changes, falling sales and a mysterious owner with uncertain motives all pointed to a sad but inevitable end to Britain's most exciting and nonconformist car maker.
Then we had more news. Apparently TVR's death had been greatly exaggerated, and though production at the factory in Blackpool had ceased, the company would live on, with production shifted to Italy and engines developed by a highly regarded British specialist to comply with Euro V legislation. While still extremely sad for those facing redundancy in Blackpool, solace could be taken from the bigger picture: TVR would live on.
By sheer coincidence, in the midst of this tumult we had a Sagaris booked in for assessment. At first we thought it would be cancelled, but no, the car would be delivered so that we could see the direction in which TVR was heading. And no, it wasn't sideways for the nearest apex.
In the old days, a revised TVR usually meant a faster, louder, meaner TVR. As a diversionary tactic it generally worked a treat, for you'd never hear a loyal TVR customer complain about more power for fear of his sexuality being drawn into question. However, newcomers to the brand, those vital 'conquest' customers used to the quirk-free functionality of Porches and BMWs, were finding TVR's flaky finishing and wonky ergonomics as off-putting as the performance was overwhelming.
So, instead of reporting on a sexier, more savage Sagaris, I'm here to tell you about things like washer jets fixed to the scuttle instead of floppy rubber tubes lashed to the windscreen wipers; supportive Sparco seats that don't wobble during hard acceleration, braking or cornering; new floor-hinged pedals made with a curve so that you don't have to overextend your ankles to fully depress the clutch or accelerator; tailgate glass with a beautiful alloy latch instead of a recess designed solely to pinch your fingers; rear-exiting exhausts that spit and pop but don't resonate; and bodywork that doesn't act as a trap for every leaf, granite chipping and errant cigarette butt. The list goes on.
Do people buy a TVR for its ergonomics? Of course not. But doubtless there are those who don't buy a TVR because of its ergonomics. It's this line of argument that the new management is applying. It's all very un-TVR, but addressing long-standing quality, comfort, ergonomics and functionality issues are what the cars - and many of the customers - have been crying out for.
Naturally, a TVR wouldn't be a TVR without blood and thunder performance, something the Sagaris remains eminently capable of delivering. The familiar straight-six is as guttural as ever, and while the 400 Blackpudlian horses feel slightly smaller than their Bavarian counterparts, the Sagaris is still a formidable tool to work with on typical British A and B-roads. The chassis, without doubt TVR's best to date, is quick-witted but more forgiving than you'd think, and while you need your wits about you to compensate for the lack of ABS, traction control and other modern accoutrements, it's a pure, challenging and invigorating experience. Business as usual, then.
Improving but not sanitising the product is a fine line to tread, for quirkiness is a definite TVR trademark. However, if our experience of the subtly but effectively revised Sagaris is anything to go by, polishing out a few of the flaws frees you up to enjoy the driving even more.
EVO Rating: 4.5 stars out of 5
Richard Meaden."
Sounds good eh? Does bring some of the flaws of the pre '07 models into pretty harsh perspective though!
Do it anyway. There are loads of specialists who'll look after the car as well if not better than the factory used to. And besides TVR have always been in varying degrees of mess.
By the way I've just bought a Tuscan from new so I'm not just talking a good game! The 06 cars are defo the best yet. My tusc is excellent.
By the way I've just bought a Tuscan from new so I'm not just talking a good game! The 06 cars are defo the best yet. My tusc is excellent.
Improvement on an already good product is always positive... When it comes to TVR in general, I'm just wondering what's going on. The Administartion seems to be about as informative (read; secretive) as the old KGB. I is this italian 'Bertone thingy' just temporary untill eventually a new upgrade in the Blackpool factory og a brand new one? Keeping things like this as a secret is never good, becuase circumstances like these creates uncertainty, and that's not good for attracting new customers or trying to keep the ones you have...
On the other hand though, I hadn't got a clue that there ever was a 2007 Sagaris road test, as I haven't got this month's EVO yet. I'ts been in the shelves at the major norwegian newsagents for a week now, and I still haven't gor mine...
On the other hand though, I hadn't got a clue that there ever was a 2007 Sagaris road test, as I haven't got this month's EVO yet. I'ts been in the shelves at the major norwegian newsagents for a week now, and I still haven't gor mine...
Anyone know where one can get the new Sag Sparco seats to be inserted into a "non-Sparco" car?
Also, do you reckon TVR dealers would be able to (for a fee of course!) bring a 05 Sag upto 07 Spec?
And off topic, black Sag with stunning tan interior at decent price. So tempting and such a tastful interior!!
Beautiful blue Tamora has arrived in building... Is the build quality as good as the Sags? Have heard the earlier ones weren't that good at all...
Also, do you reckon TVR dealers would be able to (for a fee of course!) bring a 05 Sag upto 07 Spec?
And off topic, black Sag with stunning tan interior at decent price. So tempting and such a tastful interior!!
Beautiful blue Tamora has arrived in building... Is the build quality as good as the Sags? Have heard the earlier ones weren't that good at all...
Edited by AdvocatusDiaboli on Friday 5th January 16:55
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
1. Anyone know where one can get the new Sag Sparco seats to be inserted into a "non-Sparco" car?
2. Also, do you reckon TVR dealers would be able to (for a fee of course!) bring a 05 Sag upto 07 Spec?
And off topic, black Sag with stunning tan interior at decent price. So tempting and such a tastful interior!!
Beautiful blue Tamora has arrived in building... Is the build quality as good as the Sags? Have heard the earlier ones weren't that good at all...
Answer to 1 above: You could ring Racing Green TVR...(haven't looked up where you live btw). I saw their Tuscan with Sparco seats, fabulous fit for me. 2. Also, do you reckon TVR dealers would be able to (for a fee of course!) bring a 05 Sag upto 07 Spec?
And off topic, black Sag with stunning tan interior at decent price. So tempting and such a tastful interior!!
Beautiful blue Tamora has arrived in building... Is the build quality as good as the Sags? Have heard the earlier ones weren't that good at all...
Edited by AdvocatusDiaboli on Friday 5th January 16:55
2. Not sure, but ask and the worst thing they could say is 'computer says no'
HTH
LB
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
Also, do you reckon TVR dealers would be able to (for a fee of course!) bring a 05 Sag upto 07 Spec?
I had a 07 sag on order. In fairness other then the new seats there was absolutly nothing different. Other then extra wording and some facy names for the same old stuff so they could throw the price up by 8 grand. And in fairness i myself didn't think the sparco seats were worth quite that much
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
L1OFF said:
what flaws would that be then?
Alan
Alan
Have a read of para 5, its littered with clues...
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
L1OFF said:
what flaws would that be then?
Alan
Alan
Have a read of para 5, its littered with clues...
No its not, para 5 starts off "In the old days,"
If you mean para 7 they're hardly worth moaning about either
(pedant mode off)
Edited by Fly Boy on Friday 5th January 20:06
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