Bumpy

[Funky]

I have been having some problems with the sagaris while on long journeys. It's incredibly uncomfortable due to the bumpiness of the sagaris on Irish roads. It was raised slightly (it would never have got on the ferry if it wasn't and also would not go on Irish roads) and I'm wondering what I can do to give it a bit of an easier ride. It's ten times worse then the Elise and you can feel ever little bump which on the Irish roads is everywhere. I'm not very mechanically minded unfortunately and there's no dealers/service centers anywhere nearby. What different options would I have to improve the ride quality without effecting the handling significantly?

[Toady1]

not at lot tbh with you! you could fit some after market dampers that have dampening adj on them and set them at their lowest setting, but not really a lot without losing the great handling. Sell it to me for £20k instead! lol!

[VARLEYHYD]

Assuming you have Goodyear F1 tyres they will be loads better all at 24 psi

[bogie]

they are set-up quite stiff...especially for B road use...too stiff IMO - you end up getting knocked off line...my other half ends up backing off when Im in my Elise are we are out on a B road blat...on A roads of course it awesome...also the Sagaris can bottom out at front and rear so I understand why youve upped the ride height a bit.

Id get some aftermarket dampers - Nitrons are really good (I use them on my Elise) Im not sure what the spring is as std on the Sagaris, but Nitron will be able to advise....then you can have them relatively soft for road use and wind them up for track use...thats what I do with my Elise. Its always going to be a compromise within a certain window (due to spring rates) depending on your usage pattern track/road etc then Id get some springs that will allow you to have a real comfy, but firm on road set-up and fairly stiff on track.


edit to add - find somewhere in Ireland that can set it up for you too..once you have the Nitrons fitted you will want a full set-up i.e. ride height (laden) corner weight and geo

Edited by bogie on Monday 6th August 12:43

[TGJR]

VARLEYHYD said:

Assuming you have Goodyear F1 tyres they will be loads better all at 24 psi

This sounds like a good and simple first step. I might try it on mine actually as I live in an area of quite bumpy roads too. Currently run the tyres at 26psi as per handbook. I was at Croft on Saturday and put them up to 28psi (again as per handbook) but I recall on previous TVR track days being told to bang them up to about 36psi. Which works best?

[bogie]

TGJR said:

VARLEYHYD said:

Assuming you have Goodyear F1 tyres they will be loads better all at 24 psi

This sounds like a good and simple first step. I might try it on mine actually as I live in an area of quite bumpy roads too. Currently run the tyres at 26psi as per handbook. I was at Croft on Saturday and put them up to 28psi (again as per handbook) but I recall on previous TVR track days being told to bang them up to about 36psi. Which works best?

on track I let them down - Ive done a couple of track days in the Sagaris in the last few months...start off at 26 hot, then do a few laps to warm them up (they will get real hot and go up to say 32-34) then I let them down to 26 hot again...otherwise you find them going off very quick -2 laps in and they will be overinflated...dont forget to pump them up before you go home.

[Daftlad]

I run 23.5 front 24 rear on R888s, same on F1s. Trouble with the F1s is the side wall is too soft and they start to roll-over (especially N/S front). Putting in more air helps prevent this, but anything much over standard and there is no feel to them.

[VARLEYHYD]

Daftlad said:

I run 23.5 front 24 rear on R888s, same on F1s. Trouble with the F1s is the side wall is too soft and they start to roll-over (especially N/S front). Putting in more air helps prevent this, but anything much over standard and there is no feel to them.

My earlier post was thanks to you 'Daftlad' John; 24psi with F1's never looked back
I have used oxygen free nitrogen to keep them at 24 psi constant on track and works v well
Graham

[Funky]

Thanks all that is probably exactly the problem! I'll check out a few different psi's and see what suits best. Sometimes it's the easiest things you forget to check first

[julianc]

Funky said:

I have been having some problems with the sagaris while on long journeys. It's incredibly uncomfortable due to the bumpiness of the sagaris on Irish roads. It was raised slightly (it would never have got on the ferry if it wasn't and also would not go on Irish roads) and I'm wondering what I can do to give it a bit of an easier ride. It's ten times worse then the Elise and you can feel ever little bump which on the Irish roads is everywhere. I'm not very mechanically minded unfortunately and there's no dealers/service centers anywhere nearby. What different options would I have to improve the ride quality without effecting the handling significantly?

Although not really helping you, to anyone else planning on driving in Ireland be aware of the state of the roads. Five years or so ago we spent a couple of weeks travelling around Ireland in the MR2 (don't laugh) and on many occasions we couldn't travel more than 40mph because of the state of the roads. Doesn't sound as if things have changed much!

Julian

[Daftlad]

VARLEYHYD said:

Daftlad said:

I run 23.5 front 24 rear on R888s, same on F1s. Trouble with the F1s is the side wall is too soft and they start to roll-over (especially N/S front). Putting in more air helps prevent this, but anything much over standard and there is no feel to them.

My earlier post was thanks to you 'Daftlad' John; 24psi with F1's never looked back
I have used oxygen free nitrogen to keep them at 24 psi constant on track and works v well
Graham

I ran Linda's Tamora for a few laps at Rockinham and thought all was not well with tyre pressures. I use normal compressed air and the front right tyre had been heating up and I'd been checking the front left (Rockinghams anti-clockwise and confused me!)

Nice to see you again at the weekend Graham, are you coming to Croft in September?

Edited by Daftlad on Wednesday 8th August 12:51

[VARLEYHYD]

Daftlad said:

I ran Linda's Tamora for a few laps at Rockinham and thought all was not well with tyre pressures. I use normal compressed air and the front right tyre had been heating up and I'd been checking the front left (Rockinghams anti-clockwise and confused me!)

Nice to see you again at the weekend Graham, are you coming to Croft in September?

Edited by Daftlad on Wednesday 8th August 12:51

Good to see you and Linda; Will be at TVR Trackday at Oulton 29th August
not sure about croft yet

[cargav]

After 3 years of driving the T350 on Irish roads I wish i could disagree with the previous posts but they can certainly be too bumpy for any really committed driving.

It might not be much help but I am having my rear dampers replaced by the guys at Torqueflyte and I am hoping the ride improves - if nothing else over all the speed bumps which are gone completely out of control. With the motorway now finished up to Newry it might be worth your while heading up the same direction and see what they can do for you - at least that road is pretty good.....

[rfisher]

Worth checking that the body is not sitting on the rubber bump stops.

Mine were - ooooooo that hurt.

Had the spring collars raised around 3 inches and it made a hellova difference.