t350 or sagaris wanted

[floatingjimi]

having owned a cerbera and now hankering to get back to ownership I am considering the cerb along with a t350 and sagaris. If anyone is interested I have a srt10 ram quad cab- currently advertised.
please pm if you can assist
thanks

[supercrispy]

Go for the Sagaris

[bobd]

Verdi Ithica is the one for you son - stunning

[S5TVR]

supercrispy said:

Go for the Sagaris

Any particular reason why over a T350 ?

[Rochester TVR]

My Sagaris is for sale through Racing Green... and advertised on PH aswell. Its the Cascade Indigo one.

Have a look if you are interested.

Cheers
Lee

[Don1]

Again? Though you had sold it?

[Rochester TVR]

Don1 said:

Again? Though you had sold it?

yeah so did i. The buyer had problems with finance, hence she's back up for sale again. Shouldn't hang around though with the amount of attention it gets.

[floatingjimi]

I need to move the srt-10 if that is of interest to you asp/x then could be an option

[supercrispy]

S5TVR said:

supercrispy said:

Go for the Sagaris

Any particular reason why over a T350 ?

Several IMO Greater than the sum of its parts
But perhaps you would say the same about the T350

[Rochester TVR]

floatingjimi said:

I need to move the srt-10 if that is of interest to you asp/x then could be an option

YHM

[S5TVR]

supercrispy said:

S5TVR said:

supercrispy said:

Go for the Sagaris

Any particular reason why over a T350 ?

Several IMO Greater than the sum of its parts
But perhaps you would say the same about the T350

I take your point, but a 2005 Sag will cost you around say £35k and a 2005 T350 about £9k-10k less. Spend the difference on the T350 in terms of an engine/exhaust upgrade (many will already have the exhaust upgraded anyway) i.e balanced/blue printed engine, perhaps even conversion to 4 litre, plus a set of Nitrons and what do you have:
1. A T350 that will make say a minimum 370bhp and more if a 4 litre conversion is opted for,
2. A T350 that would I imagine handle as well as a standard Sag,
3. A T350 that is not aerodynamically challenged like a Sag,
4. A T350 that is built as well as a Sag,
5. A T350 that which is better styled (less max power) IMHO,
6. A car that is marginally less rare than a Sag (say around twice as many T350's as Sag's out there)

Compare the above points with the Sag:
1. Quoted power output was changed by the factory to 380bhp, but do they actually nmake this "straight out of the box" ?,
2. A car that possibly handles better than a T350 in standard form,
3. It is often said that Sags hit the aerodynamic equivalent of a brick wall at c145mph due to the rear spoiler,
4. A 2005 Sag won't be screwed together any better than a 2005 T350. In fact the opposite could be true here as the T350 had been in production for 2 years at the point the Sag was released,
5. Obviously a matter of opinion here, but there are elements of the Sag's design that are non-functional and daft even e.g the slats in the bonnet and rear spoiler hindering the aerodynamics,
6. Slightly more exclusive than the T350.

I'm not knocking the Sag - I can't as I've never owned or driven one, but if I was looking to spend up to £35k on a TVR, I'd go down the T350 route with mods, or even the Tam route with mods. I just can't believe a Sag is around £10k better a car than the T350 (or Tam) of the same age. For me this just reinforces my view that the Sag was over-priced when new - not compared to other marques, but definately compared to what TVR had already achieved with the T350 (and possibly the Tam).

[Targarama]

I think a lot of people own Sagari for the looks alone. Personal taste. Most Sagaris owners probably don't reach the limits where a T350 would not cope but a Sagaris might.

[S5TVR]

Targarama said:

I think a lot of people own Sagari for the looks alone. Personal taste. Most Sagaris owners probably don't reach the limits where a T350 would not cope but a Sagaris might.

Fair points, but ones that you would be prepared to pay a premium of c£10k for ?.

[Pharoah]

Yeah but when you come to sell the Sag you wont lose all that money that you have spent on upgrades (as you never get it back) which can also make a car more difficult to sell / insure etc etc as well....

[S5TVR]

Pharoah said:

Yeah but when you come to sell the Sag you wont lose all that money that you have spent on upgrades (as you never get it back) which can also make a car more difficult to sell / insure etc etc as well....

Again fair points, but not everyone has their eye on re-sale value and insurance costs when buying initially. If this were the case, then the after market upgrade suppliers wouldn't be as successful as they are. Even without spending the money on modifying / upgrading a T350, is the Sag worth nearly £10k more ?. Lets face it, you could buy a 380bhp Sag that is 30bhp down on power and find a standard T350 that makes the full 350bhp. On the road there would be little or no difference in performance. If every Sag was a genuine 400+bhp car then you could start to argue in favour for the difference in price.

To be honest I don't know if T350's (and Tams) are just great value at the moemnt or if the Sag's are a little overpriced.

[Paxo1]

S5TVR said:

supercrispy said:

S5TVR said:

supercrispy said:

Go for the Sagaris

Any particular reason why over a T350 ?

Several IMO Greater than the sum of its parts
But perhaps you would say the same about the T350

I take your point, but a 2005 Sag will cost you around say £35k and a 2005 T350 about £9k-10k less. Spend the difference on the T350 in terms of an engine/exhaust upgrade (many will already have the exhaust upgraded anyway) i.e balanced/blue printed engine, perhaps even conversion to 4 litre, plus a set of Nitrons and what do you have:
1. A T350 that will make say a minimum 370bhp and more if a 4 litre conversion is opted for,
2. A T350 that would I imagine handle as well as a standard Sag,
3. A T350 that is not aerodynamically challenged like a Sag,
4. A T350 that is built as well as a Sag,
5. A T350 that which is better styled (less max power) IMHO,
6. A car that is marginally less rare than a Sag (say around twice as many T350's as Sag's out there)

Compare the above points with the Sag:
1. Quoted power output was changed by the factory to 380bhp, but do they actually nmake this "straight out of the box" ?,
2. A car that possibly handles better than a T350 in standard form,
3. It is often said that Sags hit the aerodynamic equivalent of a brick wall at c145mph due to the rear spoiler,
4. A 2005 Sag won't be screwed together any better than a 2005 T350. In fact the opposite could be true here as the T350 had been in production for 2 years at the point the Sag was released,
5. Obviously a matter of opinion here, but there are elements of the Sag's design that are non-functional and daft even e.g the slats in the bonnet and rear spoiler hindering the aerodynamics,
6. Slightly more exclusive than the T350.

I'm not knocking the Sag - I can't as I've never owned or driven one, but if I was looking to spend up to £35k on a TVR, I'd go down the T350 route with mods, or even the Tam route with mods. I just can't believe a Sag is around £10k better a car than the T350 (or Tam) of the same age. For me this just reinforces my view that the Sag was over-priced when new - not compared to other marques, but definately compared to what TVR had already achieved with the T350 (and possibly the Tam).

Got to say i agree with this...there is certainly no denying a sag will give better lap times on a track...but as a road car, at a cost of approx 10k more for basically the same car as a T350 (IMO) with a bit more torque, the difference (IMO) isnt worth it. I think at the end of the day its a matter of personal taste regarding the looks and also the exclusivity, the sag obviously falling into the latter. For me personally i couldnt live with the looks of the Sag, its a bit OTT for me, but like i said its all down to personal taste. Give me a T350 with a well setup sagaris engine and id be very happy !!

Edited by Paxo1 on Friday 12th October 17:03

[GR1FF1F]

Speaking as someone who paid mid 20's to upgrade from a 1 year old T350c to a new Sag at the start of 2006, and despite all that's happened in between then and now, I'm still happy to have done the switch.

Reasons (IMHO) - the Sag is far more driveable on the road. Torquier (if that's a word) lower down the rev band, epitomised by the fact that you can smooth it away with only 1200 rev's whereas the 350 always wanted 2k if you didn't want it to pink or possibly stall. The ride is far superior. With potholes in the 350 I found you got a solid bang which had you checking the body for cracks, but the Sag in a relative sense cushions them whilst at the same time never leaving you with the feeling that you lose traction or experience roll.

Never tracked the 350 sadly, so don't have the direct comparison in that environment, but gave the Sag two outings this year which left me grinning big time.

With the price differential now much tighter I would definitely recommend at least getting a drive in both before you make up your mind. Don't find out later ! I took my 350 in for it's first service and test drove the Sag while I was waiting for a cab to the station and immediately knew I'd never be totally happy with the 350 afterwards. It took me another 9 months to actually come round to doing the deal but it was basically an inevitability.

[Daftlad]

S5TVR said:

supercrispy said:

S5TVR said:

supercrispy said:

Go for the Sagaris

Any particular reason why over a T350 ?

Several IMO Greater than the sum of its parts
But perhaps you would say the same about the T350

I take your point, but a 2005 Sag will cost you around say £35k and a 2005 T350 about £9k-10k less. Spend the difference on the T350 in terms of an engine/exhaust upgrade (many will already have the exhaust upgraded anyway) i.e balanced/blue printed engine, perhaps even conversion to 4 litre, plus a set of Nitrons and what do you have:

What you have a is a car that is worth the same or less than before you spent you 9 or 10K on it, lots of heart ache, broken promises, and probably a good 6 month without your car. It will still be a way short of a Sagaris as a drivers car unfortunately.

[Maxx-Waxx]

Daftlad said:

S5TVR said:

supercrispy said:

S5TVR said:

supercrispy said:

Go for the Sagaris

Any particular reason why over a T350 ?

Several IMO Greater than the sum of its parts
But perhaps you would say the same about the T350

I take your point, but a 2005 Sag will cost you around say £35k and a 2005 T350 about £9k-10k less. Spend the difference on the T350 in terms of an engine/exhaust upgrade (many will already have the exhaust upgraded anyway) i.e balanced/blue printed engine, perhaps even conversion to 4 litre, plus a set of Nitrons and what do you have:

What you have a is a car that is worth the same or less than before you spent you 9 or 10K on it, lots of heart ache, broken promises, and probably a good 6 month without your car. It will still be a way short of a Sagaris as a drivers car unfortunately.

having had both i have to agree, but its each to there own.

I thought of T350 upgrades, but buying the car for 44 then spending 10 and selling after 2 years for 30 wasnt an option.

N

[swanny71]

I was lucky enough to be able to choose between a T350 or Sag, I went for the T350 simply because I much prefered the looks. The Sag seems a bit overdone for my conservative tastes - mean as hell yes but a bit OTT(no offence to Sag owners)
I'm no where near good enough a driver to exploit the Sags well documented handling superiority so this was not a factor.
For the price of a good used Sag I got a brand new T350, depreciation be damned! I'm very happy with my choice.