T350 or Sagaris?
Discussion
Hi,
I'm new to this forum and after selling my T350c a year ago I am now in the market for another.
I'm sure this has been covered before, so I appologise in advance, but is a Sagaris worth the extra outlay over a T350?
I much prefer the looks of the T350 but I also appreciate the drama of the Sag's styling.
It will be my weekend toy and used for track days and sprints so I would appreciate any feedback from anyone who has driven/owned both and/or had both on track.
Cheers guys
I'm new to this forum and after selling my T350c a year ago I am now in the market for another.
I'm sure this has been covered before, so I appologise in advance, but is a Sagaris worth the extra outlay over a T350?
I much prefer the looks of the T350 but I also appreciate the drama of the Sag's styling.
It will be my weekend toy and used for track days and sprints so I would appreciate any feedback from anyone who has driven/owned both and/or had both on track.
Cheers guys
I have owned a Sagaris and a Tamora (which I guess is similar to a T350 to drive) and the Sag was much better on the road, especially on less than perfect A and B roads. It felt more composed and less nervous, much of which was down to steering set up.
On track I found my Tamora as much fun as the Sag and not a significant performance difference (though I am not one for hammering my cars on track). I think the Sag steps up in terms of performance if you have the 3.7 or 3.9 diff which seems to make a big difference.
If I wanted another TVR as a weekend toy and track day car would I spend the £30k+ needed for a decent Sag or £20k for a decent T350? Probably the latter.
On track I found my Tamora as much fun as the Sag and not a significant performance difference (though I am not one for hammering my cars on track). I think the Sag steps up in terms of performance if you have the 3.7 or 3.9 diff which seems to make a big difference.
If I wanted another TVR as a weekend toy and track day car would I spend the £30k+ needed for a decent Sag or £20k for a decent T350? Probably the latter.
Well the price difference isnt that great anymore is it?
say a top end T350 is about £25K isnt it?
and you can get a Sag for £32K ish
I guess its personal preference really - will you always be wondering whether you should have got the Sag, or will you be happy with the 350? ...if you think you wont be happy until youve owned one, then save up more for the Sag right off...as changing cars later always costs money
..if its just the performance of Sag you are after, then you can always throw money at a T350 to make it similar...but if its purely a financial decision, then you are probably better off getting the Sag in the first place too
say a top end T350 is about £25K isnt it?
and you can get a Sag for £32K ish
I guess its personal preference really - will you always be wondering whether you should have got the Sag, or will you be happy with the 350? ...if you think you wont be happy until youve owned one, then save up more for the Sag right off...as changing cars later always costs money
..if its just the performance of Sag you are after, then you can always throw money at a T350 to make it similar...but if its purely a financial decision, then you are probably better off getting the Sag in the first place too
Cost isn't an issue, it's more thinking with my head and not my heart! I prefer the looks of the T350 but if the Sag is the better car both from a driving perspective and maybe investment perspective then that would be the better choice. I just find it hard to get my head around the idea of spending an extra 10k (give or take) on a car I don't find as attractive and that is very similar under the skin.
I do agree with your sentiment though about wondering what if.
Maybe the Sagaris itch needs scratching!
I do agree with your sentiment though about wondering what if.
Maybe the Sagaris itch needs scratching!
gilbo said:
Cost isn't an issue, it's more thinking with my head and not my heart! I prefer the looks of the T350 but if the Sag is the better car both from a driving perspective and maybe investment perspective then that would be the better choice. I just find it hard to get my head around the idea of spending an extra 10k (give or take) on a car I don't find as attractive and that is very similar under the skin.
I do agree with your sentiment though about wondering what if.
Maybe the Sagaris itch needs scratching!
If you are lucky you might even find a Sag engined T350 like mine I do agree with your sentiment though about wondering what if.
Maybe the Sagaris itch needs scratching!
Toobin said:
Had both and not wanting to offend but the T350 was not a patch on the Sag ... it is quicker (noticeably so) handles much better, corners and all and for sheer sense of driving occasion it is second to none... its a total no brainer, if money is no issue get the sag every day
Not quite sure why it would be quicker unless running different diff ratio?willtvr said:
Toobin said:
Had both and not wanting to offend but the T350 was not a patch on the Sag ... it is quicker (noticeably so) handles much better, corners and all and for sheer sense of driving occasion it is second to none... its a total no brainer, if money is no issue get the sag every day
Not quite sure why it would be quicker unless running different diff ratio?Handling is different though. Same driver, not The Stig - Sagaris.
willtvr said:
Toobin said:
Had both and not wanting to offend but the T350 was not a patch on the Sag ... it is quicker (noticeably so) handles much better, corners and all and for sheer sense of driving occasion it is second to none... its a total no brainer, if money is no issue get the sag every day
Not quite sure why it would be quicker unless running different diff ratio?Toobin said:
willtvr said:
Toobin said:
Had both and not wanting to offend but the T350 was not a patch on the Sag ... it is quicker (noticeably so) handles much better, corners and all and for sheer sense of driving occasion it is second to none... its a total no brainer, if money is no issue get the sag every day
Not quite sure why it would be quicker unless running different diff ratio?
Toobin said:
plus one is a 3.6 360bhp (0-60 4.4)the other a 4.0 400+bhp (0-60 3.8) .... puzzles me
First off you won't find many (if any) Sags making 400+bhp and I'd like to see one hit 0-60 in 3.8 in the hands of a mere mortal, bearing in mind that's Nissan GT-R and GT2 territory. I doubt the better handling of the Sag can truly be exploited on public roads anyway and as for top speed the rear spoiler must surely slow the car down compared to the T350.T350 is a very nice car, it's not a Sagaris though.
There is still a big price difference between similar cars. 25K will get you a mint low mileage T350, 32K will get you a high mileage Sagaris.
Sagaris is a much more sorted car and with the correct gearing is significantly quicker than a T350.
Sagaris bough correctly will be a better investment than a T350 bought correctly.
So...if you can get to grips with the Sags slightly OTT looks, then the rest is really about what cars are available on the market. You will need to spend time looking as there is some real tat out there that is advertised as mint and odes not quite fit the description.
There is still a big price difference between similar cars. 25K will get you a mint low mileage T350, 32K will get you a high mileage Sagaris.
Sagaris is a much more sorted car and with the correct gearing is significantly quicker than a T350.
Sagaris bough correctly will be a better investment than a T350 bought correctly.
So...if you can get to grips with the Sags slightly OTT looks, then the rest is really about what cars are available on the market. You will need to spend time looking as there is some real tat out there that is advertised as mint and odes not quite fit the description.
bogie said:
Well the price difference isnt that great anymore is it?
say a top end T350 is about £25K isnt it?
and you can get a Sag for £32K ish
I guess its personal preference really - will you always be wondering whether you should have got the Sag, or will you be happy with the 350? ...if you think you wont be happy until youve owned one, then save up more for the Sag right off...as changing cars later always costs money
..if its just the performance of Sag you are after, then you can always throw money at a T350 to make it similar...but if its purely a financial decision, then you are probably better off getting the Sag in the first place too
I know someone who just bought a very nice Sagaris for £25K. There are deals out there in these difficult times.say a top end T350 is about £25K isnt it?
and you can get a Sag for £32K ish
I guess its personal preference really - will you always be wondering whether you should have got the Sag, or will you be happy with the 350? ...if you think you wont be happy until youve owned one, then save up more for the Sag right off...as changing cars later always costs money
..if its just the performance of Sag you are after, then you can always throw money at a T350 to make it similar...but if its purely a financial decision, then you are probably better off getting the Sag in the first place too
i wonder how many people really notice the difference off the track, especially with all the 'traffic calming' measures (and traffic!) everywhere now, you really have to be on the back roads to open them up and then it's a lot of slower (not slow!) bends... i say forget the investment side and go with what you want!
In a bizzar twist of fate I've just spoken to the chap I sold my old T350 to because he has written it off! He also has a Sag and claims from behind the wheel the difference is slim. He said he prefered my T350 to his Sag as It felt tighter and directionally more responsive. As the common consensus seems to be....buy what you like and enjoy it!
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