How much is my Sag worth?
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Hi,
Been toying with the idea of selling the Sagaris and I'm curious on its value. Given the "sustained" price of Sagaris' models in the classified section I wouldn't mind a finger in the air valuation.
Registered : March 2005
Brilliant silver colour
50% Black leather / 50% black carbon fibre effect interior
22k miles (I placed 11k on it since March 2008)
New clutch 3k miles ago
(Heat resistant) Engine mounts 12 months ago
Full 12k services each year (at approved TVR garage)
Full paperwork for everything
Paint work is in good condition, some stone chips on front and usual spatter behind front tyres (and quite hard to see on silver)..
Its had no problems at all and it goes without say that its warmed up correctly and often gets more attention that my fiancée
Water, oil and engine checked every week - garaged and covered if outdoor and its never seen rain or salt on the roads.
What do you think for a private sale?
Thanks!
Been toying with the idea of selling the Sagaris and I'm curious on its value. Given the "sustained" price of Sagaris' models in the classified section I wouldn't mind a finger in the air valuation.
Registered : March 2005
Brilliant silver colour
50% Black leather / 50% black carbon fibre effect interior
22k miles (I placed 11k on it since March 2008)
New clutch 3k miles ago
(Heat resistant) Engine mounts 12 months ago
Full 12k services each year (at approved TVR garage)
Full paperwork for everything
Paint work is in good condition, some stone chips on front and usual spatter behind front tyres (and quite hard to see on silver)..
Its had no problems at all and it goes without say that its warmed up correctly and often gets more attention that my fiancée
Water, oil and engine checked every week - garaged and covered if outdoor and its never seen rain or salt on the roads.
What do you think for a private sale?
Thanks!
Always a difficult one.
Looking at dealer prices, RG have one at £41,995, Str8six £39,950 and Sebring have one at £39,995.
The one at sebring has been up for a while with only 15,000 miles on, and is in very good condition. May be its the colour thats an issue.
I would be inclined to ask between £36,500 and £38,000 depending on how quickly you need to sell. I think the fact that there has been some private ads at over £40K and they are still for sale, says that you need to keep the price in the mid to late 30`s in order to get the sale IMHO.
May be worth placing an ad for the Fiancee, could be a cheaper option in the long run
What are you looking to replace it with?
Looking at dealer prices, RG have one at £41,995, Str8six £39,950 and Sebring have one at £39,995.
The one at sebring has been up for a while with only 15,000 miles on, and is in very good condition. May be its the colour thats an issue.
I would be inclined to ask between £36,500 and £38,000 depending on how quickly you need to sell. I think the fact that there has been some private ads at over £40K and they are still for sale, says that you need to keep the price in the mid to late 30`s in order to get the sale IMHO.
May be worth placing an ad for the Fiancee, could be a cheaper option in the long run
What are you looking to replace it with?
Thanks for the reply..
I can't go into the reasons for thinking about selling her (not fiancée related, she really likes it) but its one of those opportunities that you sometimes have to go with.
In any event it would not be a hurried sale, given I'm in N.Ireland I would expect only serious buyers to come and have a look around here.
As for replacing here, I can only see another TVR scratching the itch
I can't go into the reasons for thinking about selling her (not fiancée related, she really likes it) but its one of those opportunities that you sometimes have to go with.
In any event it would not be a hurried sale, given I'm in N.Ireland I would expect only serious buyers to come and have a look around here.
As for replacing here, I can only see another TVR scratching the itch
S6 ROR has it spot on.
Top money is currently 40-45K for a low mileage Sag usually with a cascade or spectraflair colour. Most of these are advertised by the well known TVR garages, so you are also getting a pre-inspected car with limited dealer warranty for your money. Whilst 40-45 is being asked, I would imagine there is a sensible negotiating position to be taken within this.
Private sales at the above level do tend to hang around for several months, are taken off and then re-appear throughout the course of a year and I think are aspirational prices from the owners - I bet many of whom are quite happy to hang onto their P&J for another years fair weather driving, but if someone wants to pay 'top dollar' money then they will let it go.
IMHO 35-40K is where it is at for a relatively quick private sale (mileage and condition taken into account within this range). If you're in no rush, go high and wait it out.
Bottom line - a very desirable car, holding strong residuals and not many ever for sale at any one time, so a sellers market. Asking for the really big money will probably lead to a prolonged(ish) sale; it's still a specialised marque and you need to wait for 'that' individual who falls in love with your car.
Hope this helps.
Top money is currently 40-45K for a low mileage Sag usually with a cascade or spectraflair colour. Most of these are advertised by the well known TVR garages, so you are also getting a pre-inspected car with limited dealer warranty for your money. Whilst 40-45 is being asked, I would imagine there is a sensible negotiating position to be taken within this.
Private sales at the above level do tend to hang around for several months, are taken off and then re-appear throughout the course of a year and I think are aspirational prices from the owners - I bet many of whom are quite happy to hang onto their P&J for another years fair weather driving, but if someone wants to pay 'top dollar' money then they will let it go.
IMHO 35-40K is where it is at for a relatively quick private sale (mileage and condition taken into account within this range). If you're in no rush, go high and wait it out.
Bottom line - a very desirable car, holding strong residuals and not many ever for sale at any one time, so a sellers market. Asking for the really big money will probably lead to a prolonged(ish) sale; it's still a specialised marque and you need to wait for 'that' individual who falls in love with your car.
Hope this helps.
I bought mine last September, Formula red with 7800 miles on it. I viewed it and was uncertain. By the time I made up my mind RG had got hold of it and wanted 42 for it. I had already made an offer for it and the owner got it back from RG and sold it to me for 35. It was a bargain. I reckon anything in the region of 36-37 is about right.
L33 said:
Its worth what someones willing to pay...
Mine is currently up in the classifides for £44,995 which is top money but it has an excellent history and is completly unblemished. There isn't a mark on her, she's very highly detailed and from all the other Sags I've seen, I can honestly say the only sag that might beat her on condition is Graham Varleys. Anyone that has seen the car in the flesh will no doubt vouch just how immaculate it is - hence the top money being sought for her.
I've so far had 2 offers from 2 different people - one for £42,500 and the other for £43,250. With the amount of interest I've had, I'll be holding on for full asking price. In the unlikely event that nobody is prepared to pay asking price, I'm more than willing to keep hold and enjoy for another year - after all, prices do appear to be starting to rise and we're still in the depths of winter.
Extras like aircon help sell a sag as the cars without appear to be hanging round for ages.
The only advice I can give is base the condition of yours on others you have seen and take it from there. Other factors such as time of year (March onwards sales should start to pick up) and how desperate you are to sell also contribute to how much you advertise her for.
If the engine goes pop you'll wish you'd taken the near offer Mine is currently up in the classifides for £44,995 which is top money but it has an excellent history and is completly unblemished. There isn't a mark on her, she's very highly detailed and from all the other Sags I've seen, I can honestly say the only sag that might beat her on condition is Graham Varleys. Anyone that has seen the car in the flesh will no doubt vouch just how immaculate it is - hence the top money being sought for her.
I've so far had 2 offers from 2 different people - one for £42,500 and the other for £43,250. With the amount of interest I've had, I'll be holding on for full asking price. In the unlikely event that nobody is prepared to pay asking price, I'm more than willing to keep hold and enjoy for another year - after all, prices do appear to be starting to rise and we're still in the depths of winter.
Extras like aircon help sell a sag as the cars without appear to be hanging round for ages.
The only advice I can give is base the condition of yours on others you have seen and take it from there. Other factors such as time of year (March onwards sales should start to pick up) and how desperate you are to sell also contribute to how much you advertise her for.
L33 said:
And why would the engine go pop? 
Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
Plus, I think most late model TVR owners would see the engine needing a rebuild as a good thing, allowing them to justify upgrading the engine. I certainly would as I can't justify taking a perfectly good engine to bits.Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
Private sales (and purchases) are always a little fraught; all the more so when the numbers start getting big and you take in that there is no sort of warranty or recompense. I'm speculating entirely but cars at dealers advertised at 42K can probably be had for 38K where the dealer paid 33-34K. I suspect that 35-37K is ceiling privately; beyond that one can get something exciting from a dealer (not necessarily TVR) with peace of mind attached. I'm a massive TVR fan but realism and passion do need to be metered out in equal measure.
jrb43 said:
....I'm a massive TVR fan but realism and passion do need to be metered out in equal measure.
Nail...Head! I think this covers a lot of potential Sag buyers (including myself!), especially as I would say many are already in the TVR community, knowledgeable about the marque looking to go to the next 'level', but cannot reconcile the current premiums.
Having said that, to get back to the OP's requirement, demand does seem to outstrip supply, so he shouldn't have a problem selling - if he's in no rush go towards the 40K level, if a quick sale is wanted go towards 35K.
I agree with other posters that the real sale price for the highest priced Sags, in most cases, is probably a couple of grand below what was advertised.
Either way, unfortunately I don't own a Sag and therefore find myself in the lucky position (if moving on) to be in a sellers market and conversly, as much as I want one, realism just about keeps my money in the wallet and me in the T350t (for now!)
I do agree with the above post.
I'm also in the market for a Sagaris, but can't reconcile £40k for a 5-6 year old TVR. They have never been at that sort of level, & you could argue with TVR not being around, the values shouldn't really be at this sort of level now.
I would love to buy one, but really don't feel that they're good value at this level.
I'm also in the market for a Sagaris, but can't reconcile £40k for a 5-6 year old TVR. They have never been at that sort of level, & you could argue with TVR not being around, the values shouldn't really be at this sort of level now.
I would love to buy one, but really don't feel that they're good value at this level.
cirvy said:
I do agree with the above post.
I'm also in the market for a Sagaris, but can't reconcile £40k for a 5-6 year old TVR. They have never been at that sort of level, & you could argue with TVR not being around, the values shouldn't really be at this sort of level now.
I would love to buy one, but really don't feel that they're good value at this level.
I agree, but they're selling at these prices. Exclusivity and 'last of breeed' kudos = desirability for those with suitably deep pockets. Yes, you can buy a lot of car for this money, but it only needs a few people who don't care to keep the stock low.I'm also in the market for a Sagaris, but can't reconcile £40k for a 5-6 year old TVR. They have never been at that sort of level, & you could argue with TVR not being around, the values shouldn't really be at this sort of level now.
I would love to buy one, but really don't feel that they're good value at this level.
At least Tuscan, T350 and Tamora prices seem to have stabilised, or even risen a little for the good examples.
L33 said:
And why would the engine go pop?
Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
The late speed sixes are not necessarily bulletproof even if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy. The later units didn't have the poor quality finger followers but it would be very naive to assume that is all that can go wrong. If I ever had to replace my car I wouldn't consider one that had not had a reputable rebuild unless it was particularly cheap. Luckily I have no intention of changing mine. Anyway how many were built post 2005, a mere handful I would guess?Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
Edited by willtvr on Saturday 22 January 19:12
willtvr said:
L33 said:
And why would the engine go pop?
Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
The late speed sixes are not necessarily bulletproof even if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy. The later units didn't have the poor quality finger followers but it would be very naive to Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
assume that is all that can go wrong. If I ever had to replace my car I wouldn't consider one that had not had a reputable rebuild unless it was particularly cheap. Luckily I have no intention of changing mine. Anyway how many were built post 2005, a mere
handful I would guess?
Edited by willtvr on Saturday 22 January 19:12
Don't devalue the marque because you can't except the probable failure cause associated with your particularly well built original factory engine.
Edited by TVR_owner on Saturday 22 January 20:09
TVR_owner said:
willtvr said:
L33 said:
And why would the engine go pop?
Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
The late speed sixes are not necessarily bulletproof even if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy. The later units didn't have the poor quality finger followers but it would be very naive to Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
assume that is all that can go wrong. If I ever had to replace my car I wouldn't consider one that had not had a reputable rebuild unless it was particularly cheap. Luckily I have no intention of changing mine. Anyway how many were built post 2005, a mere
handful I would guess?
Edited by willtvr on Saturday 22 January 19:12
Don't devalue the marque because you can't except the probable failure cause associated with your particularly well built original factory engine.
Edited by TVR_owner on Saturday 22 January 20:09
Edited by willtvr on Saturday 22 January 22:00
What can you buy for £40/45k that looks, goes and sounds like a Sagaris, I can not think of anything that comes close for that sort of money, I would be looking at £90k+ to find a car that might come close to replacing my Sagaris.
By far the best road car to come out of the Blackpool factory,
by far the best handling car to come out of the British TVR factory,
has a bespoke TVR engine,
limited numbers,
most are now owned by true TVR fans who won't ever sell em,
£40k for a good un, I'd bite his hand off before they become £50k in the summer.
By far the best road car to come out of the Blackpool factory,
by far the best handling car to come out of the British TVR factory,
has a bespoke TVR engine,
limited numbers,
most are now owned by true TVR fans who won't ever sell em,
£40k for a good un, I'd bite his hand off before they become £50k in the summer.
Edited by TVRMARK500 on Saturday 22 January 22:17
TVRMARK500 said:
What can you buy for £40/45k that looks, goes and sounds like a Sagaris, I can not think of anything that comes close for that sort of money, I would be looking at £90k+ to find a car that might come close to replacing my Sagaris.
By far the best road car to come out of the Blackpool factory,
by far the best handling car to come out of the British TVR factory,
has a bespoke TVR engine,
limited numbers,
most are now owned by true TVR fans who won't ever sell em,
£40k for a good un, I'd bite his hand off before they become £50k in the summer.
I would agree with the above,By far the best road car to come out of the Blackpool factory,
by far the best handling car to come out of the British TVR factory,
has a bespoke TVR engine,
limited numbers,
most are now owned by true TVR fans who won't ever sell em,
£40k for a good un, I'd bite his hand off before they become £50k in the summer.
Edited by TVRMARK500 on Saturday 22 January 22:17
I bought a sag and with 12 months warranty attached for £40k which gives me piece of mind as a bonus. I sold my T350 2 years ago and having only had a T350 it was my dream to go on and get a sag. now I have got one, its staying with me. I think even if they ever produce a v8 sag (1 for sale at £78K on PH) I would not part with her, speed six all the way thank you and Truly British made.
Regards
Apple farmer
willtvr said:
TVR_owner said:
willtvr said:
L33 said:
And why would the engine go pop?
Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
The late speed sixes are not necessarily bulletproof even if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy. The later units didn't have the poor quality finger followers but it would be very naive to Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
assume that is all that can go wrong. If I ever had to replace my car I wouldn't consider one that had not had a reputable rebuild unless it was particularly cheap. Luckily I have no intention of changing mine. Anyway how many were built post 2005, a mere
handful I would guess?
Edited by willtvr on Saturday 22 January 19:12
Don't devalue the marque because you can't except the probable failure cause associated with your particularly well built original factory engine.
Edited by TVR_owner on Saturday 22 January 20:09
Edited by willtvr on Saturday 22 January 22:00
Many thanks for the English lesson. Written English has never been a strong point.
For info...No beer involved or any other form of alchoholic drink.
As for engine failures and cause...I'll say no more on the subject.
As for engines to different specs... I'll say no more on that subject either - high probability of getting that wrong too leading to further sugestions I maybe under the influence of alchohol again.
Edited by TVR_owner on Sunday 23 January 06:25
TVR_owner said:
willtvr said:
TVR_owner said:
willtvr said:
L33 said:
And why would the engine go pop?
Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
The late speed sixes are not necessarily bulletproof even if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy. The later units didn't have the poor quality finger followers but it would be very naive to Granted - the early speed sixes had a few issues but anything post 2005 is pretty much bullet-proof if well looked after and treated with mechanical sympathy.
assume that is all that can go wrong. If I ever had to replace my car I wouldn't consider one that had not had a reputable rebuild unless it was particularly cheap. Luckily I have no intention of changing mine. Anyway how many were built post 2005, a mere
handful I would guess?
Edited by willtvr on Saturday 22 January 19:12
Don't devalue the marque because you can't except the probable failure cause associated with your particularly well built original factory engine.
Edited by TVR_owner on Saturday 22 January 20:09
Edited by willtvr on Saturday 22 January 22:00
Many thanks for the English lesson. Written English has never been a strong point.
For info...No beer involved or any other form of alchoholic drink.
As for engine failures and cause...I'll say no more on the subject.
As for engines to different specs... I'll say no more on that subject either - high probability of getting that wrong too leading to further sugestions I maybe under the influence of alchohol again.
Edited by TVR_owner on Sunday 23 January 06:25
It was just that "except" rather than "accept" would give a different meaning altogether to the sentence.
Too easy to suggest engine failures down to the driver but I and some respected Sp 6 engine builders know that is very often not the case. You know nothing about the care of my engine prior to failure but for your information it was exemplary as with both my previous Speed Six engines.
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