Car cut out, EfI! fault
Car cut out, EfI! fault
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nightSpirit

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1,057 posts

197 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Morning all,

Today I decided to bring the Tamora to work as the roads seemed dry. After heating the oil for an hour (forgot to get up) I wheeled her out and fired her up. She started first time as normal and idled for around 2-3 minutes while I stowed the roof.

The car just cut out at this point...when I tried to restart it (tried about 5 times) it would turn over, all the dash display on etc but just as it should fire it just died. At this point the dash displayed an 'EFI Fault' message...can't recall the code number.

Any thoughts? Car drove like a dream last weem

nrick

1,866 posts

192 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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It is not uncommon for them to cut out until warm, then when you try to start them again they flood. Leave it for a few minutes and try again. If you get the code I'll look it up for you. Was it sat outside? Could be a sensor?

nightSpirit

Original Poster:

1,057 posts

197 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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It's garaged and covered. It would turn over and the fuel pump would prime (sounded like it) but when it fired it would just cut out. Could it be the fuel pump? seemed like it was getting no fuel. Wouldn't a sensor just mean st running?

Shame I couldn't drive her today, was really looking forward to it as the weather has been better.

shep1001

4,620 posts

218 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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nightSpirit said:
It's garaged and covered. It would turn over and the fuel pump would prime (sounded like it) but when it fired it would just cut out. Could it be the fuel pump? seemed like it was getting no fuel. Wouldn't a sensor just mean st running?

Shame I couldn't drive her today, was really looking forward to it as the weather has been better.
The code might help but if its the generic 'EFI Fault' thats code #4 it won't tell you anything specific on the dash. Do you have a diagnostics cable so you can look at the fault log? You might have flooded it (very easy to do) trying to re-start it? unplug the fuel pump crank it over and start again.

Edited by shep1001 on Wednesday 9th February 12:02

nrick

1,866 posts

192 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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PM me is you want to borrow a cable if we can't sort it out.

Have you tried again since it has been left a while.

Is the battery voltage ok?

Defo need the code

Targarama

14,782 posts

312 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Sounds like it has flooded to me, this is why I never leave the car idling - it is better to drive off anyway (I understand you may have had other things to do, I'm not judging you!). It may start in a few hours. If not remove the fuel pump relay and start the car like normal, it will start and then stall. Turn off ignition and replace the relay, start up and off you go.

nightSpirit

Original Poster:

1,057 posts

197 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Cheers guys,

I put her back in the garage (after some swearing) and took the 172 Cup to work...don't get me started on that car!

I will try tonight and if she fires and runs, I will go for a cheeky spin. It's never just cut out on me before when idling from cold, maybe she's grumpy with the hibernation.

NRick, thanks for the offer I will take you up on that for sure. I'll let you know tomorrow how I get on. Thanks for the help again, the TVR community is great..a car has a problem, everyone is genuinely concerned as if it were a person smile

nrick

1,866 posts

192 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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it's more than a person, there are 55million of them ;-)

I think they may over choke sometimes, not a problem if they are on a run but if they sit and idle from being very cold then I have seen it on my Tuscan. Just leave it for 5 minutes and it is fine, a quick blip of the throttle and it seems to clear its nostrils. Only my humble opinion.

nightSpirit

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1,057 posts

197 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Tried to start her tonight, no error code and the car fired but then spluttered and stalled again, tried a second time with some revs and after a god aweful throat clearing she fired and kept running. I then took her for a good spin and seemed fine....sadly though whilst thinking of not stalling i brushed the kurb and scuffed an alloy frown

Targarama

14,782 posts

312 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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nightSpirit said:
Tried to start her tonight, no error code and the car fired but then spluttered and stalled again, tried a second time with some revs and after a god aweful throat clearing she fired and kept running. I then took her for a good spin and seemed fine....sadly though whilst thinking of not stalling i brushed the kurb and scuffed an alloy frown
Sounds like flooding then.

mycroft

1,545 posts

276 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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Mine did something that sounds a bit like this , Power did a lamba earth mod that seems to have helped .
Dale

nightSpirit

Original Poster:

1,057 posts

197 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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Any more info on that?

Incidentaly, following the fuse board layout, my car has no fuel pump fuse or relay.

mycroft

1,545 posts

276 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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On last service i asked Dom to look at a hot start problem , the car didn't like to start when hot and if it started it ran very rough , some times a steady bit of throttle sorted it other times turning off and restarting it had just sorted itself out . My understanding is that some looms were incorrectly supplied/fitted and there is a wiring modification to rectify this . I think it was a poor earth on the lambda sensor that mucked up the fueling .
Not necessarily anything to do with your problem , hope you get sorted .
Dale

Edited by mycroft on Thursday 10th February 22:55

PIW19

146 posts

204 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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350 been into Power yesterday for the same mod to Lambda's poor earth and a couple of other electrical gremlin. Tickover problem has all but dissapeared, would go from 650 to 1100 randomly and sometimes just cut out for no reason, but would always start up again easily though.

Targarama

14,782 posts

312 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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nightSpirit said:
Any more info on that?

Incidentaly, following the fuse board layout, my car has no fuel pump fuse or relay.
They are just hidden. Enjoy the search smile

I'll check Graham's bible if you dont have a copy.

shep1001

4,620 posts

218 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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nightSpirit said:
Any more info on that?

Incidentaly, following the fuse board layout, my car has no fuel pump fuse or relay.
It should be the 30A fuse 12th up from the bottom of the board. The relay is on the bottom right mine's silver in colour

shep1001

4,620 posts

218 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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[quote=shep1001]


It should be the 30A fuse 12th up from the bottom of the board. The relay for the two fuel pumps is on the bottom right mine's silver in colour 45A

Shep

Jasper Gilder

2,166 posts

302 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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You probably flooded it - if it happens again - do this

Floor the throttle and turn it over - it will fire with a big cloud of smoke ( unburnt fuel) - works on all fuel injected cars

EFI fault was telling you mixture was too rich and interfering with cats

All makes sense really, but does your head in - did it on my Sag just as I was about to set out to the ferry for a Spain trip two years ago - I'd got it out of the garage, washed it and put it away - served me right!

nightSpirit

Original Poster:

1,057 posts

197 months

Saturday 12th February 2011
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I didn't expect it to flood when idling smile some cars have funny ways when cold.

Targarama

14,782 posts

312 months

Saturday 12th February 2011
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nightSpirit said:
I didn't expect it to flood when idling smile some cars have funny ways when cold.
It didn't. It flooded when it stalled. Something to do with cold start injectors I think. Most fuel injected cars have the same problem, even my diddy Fiat Panda if I just move it on the drive and turn off (of course that doesn't go and stall on me!).