Tuscan S. - Mk 1 To Sag- anyone
Discussion
I did it. It took me 2 years to get the Tuscan absolutely sorted (set up and max power) and then decided the interior was just looking a little old school compared to the T cars, so I sold it. It then took me another year to find the right colour Sagaris I wanted, not just the exterior but the interior had to be bang right as well. First impressions??? Slower than my Tuscan (which surprised the hell out of me). I put it down to the parachute at the back! I was also surprised at the entirely different feel. I liked feeling the limits of the back tyres on the Tuscan and really knowing when it was about to let go (for the most part). The Sagaris is the opposite. You feel like the front end is going to let go before the back. Makes you a little uncomfortable at first as growing up on dirt bikes I always believed that rear slide is controllable and front slide usually means you're coming off! After a while (assisted by a couple of track days) I began to realise that neither front nor back were going to let go, unless I did something really, really stupid. When that realisation hits you, you begin to fully fathom the true capabilities of the Sag. Then you are in awe of it. I still think my old Tuscan was faster, at least I did until I had a 3:91 diff and C/R box fitted to the Sag about a year ago. Having said that, the Sag is altogether more evolved, both in handling and build. My only other slight disappointment is the burble, or rather the lack of it. Those 90 degree bends and cans really take a mean amount of low bass burble out of the S6. I could fix this a bit with decats, but then I don't like the high rev rasp they give, so I guess I'll stick with cats. As far as the speed goes? Hopefully an imminent Power 4.5 upgrade will tickle my danglies the same way my Tuscan did. These are my impressions only and I appreciate that others on here will have differing opinions. I absolutely love both cars, but one is in my past and the other is forever.
Edited by YRRunner on Tuesday 1st March 00:22
I went from a Mk1 S to a Sag and agree with everything that has been said. I would reiterate that I think the Tuscan is significantly quicker than the Sag. The Sag almost feels slow in comparison! The Tuscan also had much more torque so it was easier to play with the back end, whereas I have to really try with the Sag to get it to play at sensible speeds.
Not sure which I prefer to be honest, the raw, knife edged Tuscan or the better looking more civilised but lower powered Sag.
Not sure which I prefer to be honest, the raw, knife edged Tuscan or the better looking more civilised but lower powered Sag.
Owned both Tuscan S for 5 years & Sagaris for 4.
Factory Mk1 Tuscan S is quicker than the factory Sagaris no question even more with a decent suspension that is set up correctly, factory suspension on the Tuscan is derisory & major flaw. Big tracks like Silverstone GP, Ring & Spa the Tuscan S kills off the Sagaris, smaller tracks like Croft not much in it yet the Tuscan S still had the edge over the Sagaris.
Both outstanding cars but Tuscan S is tops for me all round on reflection. When returning to a TVR a Tuscan S would be my choice of weapon.
Perhaps visually, plus rarity the Sagaris wins only...
Factory Mk1 Tuscan S is quicker than the factory Sagaris no question even more with a decent suspension that is set up correctly, factory suspension on the Tuscan is derisory & major flaw. Big tracks like Silverstone GP, Ring & Spa the Tuscan S kills off the Sagaris, smaller tracks like Croft not much in it yet the Tuscan S still had the edge over the Sagaris.
Both outstanding cars but Tuscan S is tops for me all round on reflection. When returning to a TVR a Tuscan S would be my choice of weapon.
Perhaps visually, plus rarity the Sagaris wins only...
Bizzarely I went the other way... from a Sag to a MK1 Tuscan S.. Purely for financial reasons with the recession hitting our business hard etc.. But I have to say I have been very impressed with the Tuscan so far, especially since ive had the nitrons fitted and the geo set up properly.
The major thing that really surprised me and still does, is the performance difference.. Now the Sag was quick make no mistake.. But the Tusc S is nothing short of brutal.. It may have something to do with aerodynanics possibly but it really is a seriously quick motor.
The major thing that really surprised me and still does, is the performance difference.. Now the Sag was quick make no mistake.. But the Tusc S is nothing short of brutal.. It may have something to do with aerodynanics possibly but it really is a seriously quick motor.
Aerodynamics have to make a difference yet the S has a Gurney type spoiler on the back, what I found the Sagaris hits a brick wall around 130 or less on big tracks & was getting caught by cars that had no right, the exhaust configuration dosen't help the Sagaris either. Ironically, The only 2 TVR's that gave my S a whupping on track were a white HHC Tuscan 4.5 AJP Challenge car & a Speed 12. The grey first Tuscan R couldn't shake the S off either...
Brutal is the best & probably only word to describe a Tuscan S, with a good Nitron or similar set up a formidable track tool.
The first thoughts when I part exed my S for a Sagaris in 06 driving it home was almost like RS Turbo to XR3i immediately sprang to mind in comparison plus £20K lighter for the priveledge. I even asked the seller to swap back later that week which he wouldn't, he commented how savage & brutal the Tuscan S was, he thouight it was tricked which it wasn't apart from set up.
For sheer pace & exhileration a Tuscan S is the wildest & most fun car I have ever driven, by far the best around the Ring too, will certainly get another in the near future.
In a perfect world with funds permitting would have both, the Sagaris to visually admire, my choice for track & weekends away would be the S every time...
Brutal is the best & probably only word to describe a Tuscan S, with a good Nitron or similar set up a formidable track tool.
The first thoughts when I part exed my S for a Sagaris in 06 driving it home was almost like RS Turbo to XR3i immediately sprang to mind in comparison plus £20K lighter for the priveledge. I even asked the seller to swap back later that week which he wouldn't, he commented how savage & brutal the Tuscan S was, he thouight it was tricked which it wasn't apart from set up.
For sheer pace & exhileration a Tuscan S is the wildest & most fun car I have ever driven, by far the best around the Ring too, will certainly get another in the near future.
In a perfect world with funds permitting would have both, the Sagaris to visually admire, my choice for track & weekends away would be the S every time...
Hi guys,
This difference in performance can't be down to aerodynamics only, can it? Especially the "brutal" feel at speeds below 60mph.
Do early Tuscans have other gearboxes or diff ratios?
I suppose the later speed6 engine in the sag would be on a par with the one in the S Mk.1 performancewise?
Am I missing something? Apart from a tuscan S Mk.1...
This difference in performance can't be down to aerodynamics only, can it? Especially the "brutal" feel at speeds below 60mph.
Do early Tuscans have other gearboxes or diff ratios?
I suppose the later speed6 engine in the sag would be on a par with the one in the S Mk.1 performancewise?
Am I missing something? Apart from a tuscan S Mk.1...
It seems alot of them had miss matched diffs and gearbox's, there are many threads of people altering them to what they should be. Tuscan s cars had a cr box with 3.73 diff from my understanding and it is this combo that makes them feel alot faster.
Many sags it appears, left the factory with a cr box and 3.46 combo which feels slower accourding to what people say as the 1st 3 gears are very tall, but I would not of thought by much.
If I felt mine was a little slow compared to my previous tuscan s I'd check this area first as the previous owner of ours changed the diff from a 3.46 to a 3.91 and he felt it solved the issue completely.
Many sags it appears, left the factory with a cr box and 3.46 combo which feels slower accourding to what people say as the 1st 3 gears are very tall, but I would not of thought by much.
If I felt mine was a little slow compared to my previous tuscan s I'd check this area first as the previous owner of ours changed the diff from a 3.46 to a 3.91 and he felt it solved the issue completely.
Ask anyone who has driven lots of the same model Tiv and they will all say the difference in performance can be massive, it's always been the way with TVRs
My Sag with a 3.4diff will spin it's rear wheels in 1st,2nd and 3rd and will pull hard to near 160mph in 4th.
Maybe I just have a good un
We should hire Brunts for a TVR only day and do some in gear acceleration runs.
I'd be up for it
My Sag with a 3.4diff will spin it's rear wheels in 1st,2nd and 3rd and will pull hard to near 160mph in 4th.
Maybe I just have a good un
We should hire Brunts for a TVR only day and do some in gear acceleration runs.
I'd be up for it
I agree with Sagriff.
Each car will be different to every other similar model in each range.Like his car mine has a 3.4 diff and close ratio gearbox which allows crazy speeds in the 3 lower gears- 67,105,and 135 respectfully.4th and 5th are the same in all models I believe.
It may be harder to get the car off the line with this setup,but once moving you are reaching higher speeds before needing to change gear.
You should try different variants of setups in the Sags to see which you prefer.
My car with the triple f setup is relatively srong and so I dont feel the need for a quicker diff.( keeping up with a new GT-R from 90-160 is relatively fast in my book)
Each to their own,but have fun looking.
Davy
Each car will be different to every other similar model in each range.Like his car mine has a 3.4 diff and close ratio gearbox which allows crazy speeds in the 3 lower gears- 67,105,and 135 respectfully.4th and 5th are the same in all models I believe.
It may be harder to get the car off the line with this setup,but once moving you are reaching higher speeds before needing to change gear.
You should try different variants of setups in the Sags to see which you prefer.
My car with the triple f setup is relatively srong and so I dont feel the need for a quicker diff.( keeping up with a new GT-R from 90-160 is relatively fast in my book)
Each to their own,but have fun looking.
Davy
Mine's got a 3.46 diff aswell but unsure about Cr or not.
How can I check apart from giving it the beans and registering the speeds at a given rpm. (when WARM offcours
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How can I check apart from giving it the beans and registering the speeds at a given rpm. (when WARM offcours
)d18mca said:
I agree with Sagriff.
Each car will be different to every other similar model in each range.Like his car mine has a 3.4 diff and close ratio gearbox which allows crazy speeds in the 3 lower gears- 67,105,and 135 respectfully.4th and 5th are the same in all models I believe.
It may be harder to get the car off the line with this setup,but once moving you are reaching higher speeds before needing to change gear.
You should try different variants of setups in the Sags to see which you prefer.
My car with the triple f setup is relatively srong and so I dont feel the need for a quicker diff.( keeping up with a new GT-R from 90-160 is relatively fast in my book)
Each to their own,but have fun looking.
Davy
Each car will be different to every other similar model in each range.Like his car mine has a 3.4 diff and close ratio gearbox which allows crazy speeds in the 3 lower gears- 67,105,and 135 respectfully.4th and 5th are the same in all models I believe.
It may be harder to get the car off the line with this setup,but once moving you are reaching higher speeds before needing to change gear.
You should try different variants of setups in the Sags to see which you prefer.
My car with the triple f setup is relatively srong and so I dont feel the need for a quicker diff.( keeping up with a new GT-R from 90-160 is relatively fast in my book)
Each to their own,but have fun looking.
Davy
From a stand still to 160mph my Sag is epic, the biggest problem is traction in 1st,2nd and 3rd, though I will say you have to be very slick with the gearbox and be in the right gear all of the time when on track but that's the same with all speed six cars, and if you can master that it's the dogs.
The only reason I could think of changing the diff would be if I had a below average engine power wise or I couldn't master the gear changes on track.
The only reason I could think of changing the diff would be if I had a below average engine power wise or I couldn't master the gear changes on track.
shaunsmith said:
Ironically, The only 2 TVR's that gave my S a whupping on track were a white HHC Tuscan 4.5 AJP Challenge car & a Speed 12. The grey first Tuscan R couldn't shake the S off either...
Shaun,Not everyone drives to the cars ability on track days, and everyone has different levels of ability, bottom line it's not the most scientific comparison.
You know we don't agree on the Tuscan, but I hope when you get back to a Tiv, and I guess it will be a Tuscan S, its every bit as good as you remembered your last one.
How's that funny kit car thing coming on
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