For those who supply their own oil
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AMDBSNick said:
This follows a topical debate in Soho last week 
Do you supply your own wine when you go to a restaurant?
No - the only restaurants I know that permit this (a couple of Indians) are not the type that I would drink wine in anyway Do you supply your own wine when you go to a restaurant?
BTW - JCT600 do not allow you to take your own oil - company policy I'm afraid
AMDBSNick said:
This follows a topical debate in Soho last week
Do you supply your own wine when you go to a restaurant?
Funnily enough, this is almost exactly what one Audi dealer said to me when I said I wanted to supply my own oil because theirs wasn't the spec I wanted. Do you supply your own wine when you go to a restaurant?
His response: "Would you take your own food to a restaurant?"
My response: "I would if it was s
t". Didn't go back to that dealer again.
Sometimes I do......for example my local Indian Restaurant allows BYO.....I do it for two reasons
1. It’s cheaper
2. I like to drink Gewurztraminer with Indian food....and their choice of wine is total crap
What I think your suggesting is that people who supply their own oil are mean......if you are, you may be right. I save £190 by supplying my own oil which in context of my life style and wealth, is a very small amount of money.....but I object to my local Aston dealership putting on a 300 to 400% profit margin......it's a piss take
1. It’s cheaper
2. I like to drink Gewurztraminer with Indian food....and their choice of wine is total crap
What I think your suggesting is that people who supply their own oil are mean......if you are, you may be right. I save £190 by supplying my own oil which in context of my life style and wealth, is a very small amount of money.....but I object to my local Aston dealership putting on a 300 to 400% profit margin......it's a piss take
michael gould said:
Sometimes I do......for example my local Indian Restaurant allows BYO.....I do it for two reasons
1. It’s cheaper....
You local is probably my local too Mr G.1. It’s cheaper....
They charge you £7 or so for a main meal and you still want to save money ???
I buy a couple of cobras from them and allow them to make a bit of money on me. I also tip generously
Always!
Doesn't everyone phone up a restaurant and check what is on the menu? Agree a price, then tell them you will bring your own wine and agree how much the tip will be?
Have had rows in restaurants when you get the bill and there are those unexpected add ons - e.g. bread - if I needed additional stodge I would have asked for it - can usually wait until my next visit for bread. And don't get me going on the cost of coffee in restaurants.
Doesn't everyone phone up a restaurant and check what is on the menu? Agree a price, then tell them you will bring your own wine and agree how much the tip will be?
Have had rows in restaurants when you get the bill and there are those unexpected add ons - e.g. bread - if I needed additional stodge I would have asked for it - can usually wait until my next visit for bread. And don't get me going on the cost of coffee in restaurants.
Jockman said:
You local is probably my local too Mr G.
They charge you £7 or so for a main meal and you still want to save money ???
I buy a couple of cobras from them and allow them to make a bit of money on me. I also tip generously
Just get a take away and you have the best of both worlds They charge you £7 or so for a main meal and you still want to save money ???
I buy a couple of cobras from them and allow them to make a bit of money on me. I also tip generously
>RUBBING HANDS WITH GLEE AT THIS THREAD<
It's a shame dealers do take the piss a bit and I suppose it's everyones right to cut corners wherever they go. I agree a price should be negotiated for a service with a main dealer but wouldn't supply my own oil.
I wonder what the thinking would be if you went to use their facilities, found they were out of toilet paper and upon questioning, they'd assumed you'd bring your own...
Michael, for the love of God, Buddah, Allah, Yahweh and Emperor Palpatine, Gewurztraminer in a curry house?? Even the Blue one drinks beer with a curry, it's the LAW!
It's a shame dealers do take the piss a bit and I suppose it's everyones right to cut corners wherever they go. I agree a price should be negotiated for a service with a main dealer but wouldn't supply my own oil.
I wonder what the thinking would be if you went to use their facilities, found they were out of toilet paper and upon questioning, they'd assumed you'd bring your own...
Michael, for the love of God, Buddah, Allah, Yahweh and Emperor Palpatine, Gewurztraminer in a curry house?? Even the Blue one drinks beer with a curry, it's the LAW!
You can often buy the same brand of water in a cheap and an expensive restaurant, served in the bottle, looking the same, indeed being the same. Not similar, but identical. One establishment might charge twice what the other does. They will justify this by saying it's part of the overall experience which is a more expensive/upmarket/'better' one. It's easy to argue they shouldn't and it's a separate argument to that about the price of bottled water in general, but I think we all accept if you get the same product in a generally more expensive establishment then you have to pay more for it
This is no different. The quid pro pro is that for the more expensive establishment to survive, it needs to offer exceptional standards of service and can get away with little criticism. You also can get exceptional service in a cheap establishment
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This is no different. The quid pro pro is that for the more expensive establishment to survive, it needs to offer exceptional standards of service and can get away with little criticism. You also can get exceptional service in a cheap establishment
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yeti said:
... Even the Blue one drinks beer with a curry, it's the LAW!
Following on from Jonby's point, I'm ok with getting a bottle of still water at a reasonable price. In a more 'fast food' environment I just stick to a jug of tap water which - I believe - they are legally obliged to provide foc (though I have experienced one that tried to charge)
Jockman said:
yeti said:
... Even the Blue one drinks beer with a curry, it's the LAW!
Following on from Jonby's point, I'm ok with getting a bottle of still water at a reasonable price. In a more 'fast food' environment I just stick to a jug of tap water which - I believe - they are legally obliged to provide foc (though I have experienced one that tried to charge)
Obviously people are free to ask the question about bringing their own oil and dealers are free to say yes. But I don't think a dealer should be criticised if they have a general policy of not allowing it. Partly because their overall financial strategy of pricing & discounting will take into account the assumption of profit on the oil when a service is carried out. And partly because it's simply their choice, just as it is for a restaurant to decide whether to allow BYO alcohol. Of course alcohol isn't necessary with a meal (some may argue ! ;-) , whereas oil is for a service - how many restaurants allow BYO soft drinks ?
I will never forget a dealer coming on this forum and telling us that the sales departments make little or no money due to their overheads......so the dealerships derive most of their profits from servicing......to which I replied something along the lines of...well I don’t wish to subsidise flash showrooms with my servicing business as I don’t buy my cars from them.
Servicing costs by Aston Martin dealerships are very expensive and very profitable......they are charging up to £185 per hour (inc VAT) labour.....making 30-40% on parts and then want to charge £25 per ltr for oil!
Sorry Yeti...I don’t drink much beer and wife and daughter don’t drink any......so yes we drink wine with our Indian food....and Gerwerz goes great with Indian food......To Jockman ....we mainly use Vindaloo these days
Servicing costs by Aston Martin dealerships are very expensive and very profitable......they are charging up to £185 per hour (inc VAT) labour.....making 30-40% on parts and then want to charge £25 per ltr for oil!
Sorry Yeti...I don’t drink much beer and wife and daughter don’t drink any......so yes we drink wine with our Indian food....and Gerwerz goes great with Indian food......To Jockman ....we mainly use Vindaloo these days
michael gould said:
...To Jockman ....we mainly use Vindaloo these days
+1 - far better than the Ruhi, though a little bit sweeter.The Vindaloo is 100 yards from my house. or 50 yards from F1 NDW Neil's house. With the assortment of restaurants on the high street I love to walk on to it in the evening as the ovens are firing up. The smells transport me back in time to Wanchai on Hong Kong island, or to certain parts of London. Fabulous
jonby said:
yes but the point is, if it's a bottle of evian, or for that matter a bottle of budweiser, they will charge twice what it costs in a supermarket in a normal resturant and 50-100% more again in a more expensive resturant. We all accept it and pay it. If a place goes too far with it's pricing, some will say they refuse to go there. Is the oil any different ?
Obviously people are free to ask the question about bringing their own oil and dealers are free to say yes. But I don't think a dealer should be criticised if they have a general policy of not allowing it. Partly because their overall financial strategy of pricing & discounting will take into account the assumption of profit on the oil when a service is carried out. And partly because it's simply their choice, just as it is for a restaurant to decide whether to allow BYO alcohol. Of course alcohol isn't necessary with a meal (some may argue ! ;-) , whereas oil is for a service - how many restaurants allow BYO soft drinks ?
No quibbles with what you say Jonby - how companies apportion (sorry) costs or formulate their cost centres is down to them. When draconian credit card fees etc are banned later this year on online transactions you just know that Airlines will simply reallocate those costs elsewhere.Obviously people are free to ask the question about bringing their own oil and dealers are free to say yes. But I don't think a dealer should be criticised if they have a general policy of not allowing it. Partly because their overall financial strategy of pricing & discounting will take into account the assumption of profit on the oil when a service is carried out. And partly because it's simply their choice, just as it is for a restaurant to decide whether to allow BYO alcohol. Of course alcohol isn't necessary with a meal (some may argue ! ;-) , whereas oil is for a service - how many restaurants allow BYO soft drinks ?
It really boils down to price elasticity. There will be a point when the majority of people will no longer pay that premium because there is insufficient perceived added value. Mr G has hit that point but others have not. Lunablack knows his threshold, allowing an Indy to charge him slightly more for his Castrol Edge as he recognises that company is being reasonable and he wants to have their services available for future work
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