Zagato V12V Roadster on the way?

[George H]

Just saw this in an old edition of Evo I was reading on my iPad:



I hope they do! Especially hope it has the double bubble thingy like the DB-AR1

So has anyone heard anything about it? That was the first thing I've read about it.

[AdamV8V]

George H said:

Especially hope it has the double bubble thingy like the DB-AR1

Have you ever seen a DB-AR1 with the roof up?!


But I do love the V12V Zag. I hope they don't ruin it.

[V8LM]

AdamV8V said:

Have you ever seen a DB-AR1 with the roof up?!

Difficult. It doesn't have one.

Roofless Zag is a bit of a misnomer for me - double bubble and all that.

[George H]

V8LM said:

Difficult. It doesn't have one.

There are couple that have an aftermarket one I think? It looks like a tent that's been stuck on the top. No worse than the Ferrari 550 Barchetta though!

[AdamV8V]

George H said:

There are couple that have an aftermarket one I think? It looks like a tent that's been stuck on the top.

That must have been what I saw (green one). It did indeed look like a badly fitting tent! Reminded me of a Triumph TR8

Glad they didn't leave the factory like that.

[V8LM]

Yes, aftermarket, not by Aston, and looks shit

Edited by V8LM on Monday 29th October 22:26

[yeti]

V8LM said:

Difficult. It doesn't have one.

Not from factory, but bespoke aftermarket ones were made. Probably like a Boxster Spyder?

The shaped double-bubble tonneau looks very cool, I think the AR-1 is a work of art.

[George H]

yeti said:

I think the AR-1 is a work of art.

You and me both. As is the Zagato Vanquish Volante

[yeti]

V8LM said:

Yes, aftermarket, not by Aston, and looks shit

Meh, that's not as bad as I thought it would be! As an emergency measure, it seems to do the job very admirably.

Now I want one

[George H]

yeti said:

Meh, that's not as bad as I thought it would be! As an emergency measure, it seems to do the job very admirably.

Now I want one

It's not too bad but it's hardly great is it? It loses the lovely flowing curves of the car. Plus it shouldn't be driven with the roof on anyway!

As I said before, better than Ferrari's effort with the 550 Barchetta:

[yeti]

George H said:

As I said before, better than Ferrari's effort with the 550 Barchetta:

Oh my. That makes me sad

[Guycord]

Cant see them doing this with their latest P&L Statement.

150 Zags originally slated for production, then reduced to 101 and I hear that only 75 are sold to date.

Rolling out a V12V ZR would be financial suicide me thinks

[Jockman]

Yo, Georgeous, aren't you on record as hating the Zag ?? Would a topless one suddenly endear it to you ??

I'm with Guy on this one, though this could be a desperate attempt to modify it and sell the remaining quota

[George H]

Jockman said:

Yo, Georgeous, aren't you on record as hating the Zag ?? Would a topless one suddenly endear it to you ??

Only a couple of things I don't like about the Zag coupe - the wheels, the rear spoiler, the rear lights and the price tag. Hopefully they wouldn't put a spoiler on a convertible, so yeah, I probably would like it more

[mjk1]

Guycord said:

150 Zags originally slated for production, then reduced to 101 and I hear that only 75 are sold to date.

Really surprised they've managed to sell 75 of these monstrosities. An object lesson in how to destroy one of the best styled cars ever produced, IMO.

[Guycord]

mjk1 said:

Really surprised they've managed to sell 75 of these monstrosities. An object lesson in how to destroy one of the best styled cars ever produced, IMO.

Got to disagree. The only thing I can see wrong with the V12VZ is the price.

Earlier this summer I did actually balance-up whether to cash-in on the 59 plate V12V and get one...or, as I have done, keep the V12V and get a rather nice DB4 as well. The former would have been stupid and wreckless, the latter less so.

I think the V12VZ for the money is a really long punt for an "investment" vehicle. There is not guarentee in 50 years time it will be anything as iconic as the DB4GTR. Further, I suspect that it will go down the route of the awful V8Z, DB7GTZ and the AR1. That being so, I hope I can bag one in 5 years time when they are significantly depreciated.

[jonby]

Guycord said:

mjk1 said:

Really surprised they've managed to sell 75 of these monstrosities. An object lesson in how to destroy one of the best styled cars ever produced, IMO.

Got to disagree. The only thing I can see wrong with the V12VZ is the price.

Earlier this summer I did actually balance-up whether to cash-in on the 59 plate V12V and get one...or, as I have done, keep the V12V and get a rather nice DB4 as well. The former would have been stupid and wreckless, the latter less so.

I think the V12VZ for the money is a really long punt for an "investment" vehicle. There is not guarentee in 50 years time it will be anything as iconic as the DB4GTR. Further, I suspect that it will go down the route of the awful V8Z, DB7GTZ and the AR1. That being so, I hope I can bag one in 5 years time when they are significantly depreciated.

I think that's spot on - I was in until they changed the price on me...............by 150k !

They never expected to sell all 150 - that was a maximum. But the more you look at the vehicle, the more you realise how over priced it is, regardless of what it might cost to make

This has to be a vehicle that will be available for sensible money in a few yrs time. As you say, as an investment, if you buy it new, it's a very very long term view you'd have to take

Can't see the drop top making sense for the factory. They couldn't charge less than the coupe and no reason to think it would sell any better - bearing in mind the cost and expense of creating a roadster that might only sell a handful, I just can't see it. They'd be better developing a junior one 77 to sell at the 500k they'd have to charge, using an engine mid way between vanquish & ONE 77, no CF tub, less elaborate finishing on the hidden components and a modified vantage or vanquish chassis/body

[Vee12V]

I'm still seriously tempted by the Zag. But even all the man maths in the world can't make me justify that amount of money. Certainly because every car I have, I have to drive. Regardless of its price tag.

I also found the production just not as sexy as the early racing car, with its open front wheel arches, lack of spoiler, etc. Maybe one day... but by then they will have gone up considerably and completely out of reach I'm afraid.

And OT: I can see them do a convertible version.

[mjk1]

This car is a classic case of the Emperor's new clothes. How anyone can look at that guppy mouth and think it looks better than the Vantage it's based on is beyond me. The same goes for just about every other aspect of the external design.

[Guycord]

mjk1 said:

This car is a classic case of the Emperor's new clothes. How anyone can look at that guppy mouth and think it looks better than the Vantage it's based on is beyond me. The same goes for just about every other aspect of the external design.

Mjk1 - not picking a fight with you...just discussing an interesting topic you raised.

I think it is all eye of the beholder stuff. If you go back to my comments of the DB4, I would say that to my taste, I would say the DB4 Mk1-4 were the best looking (with the upstanding lights), then the DB4GTZ, then the GT/Mk5. I find the MK5 (or really DB5) not as good looking as the MkiV. Yet there are many that say the DB4GTZ and DB5 are the two most beautiful cars in the world!

The DB4 Mk1 to DBS(i6) were, i believe all the same basic car with different skins (getting thicker and heavier as they went on). So the Emperor did indeed have new clothes between 1958 and 1972!