Is this a common fault and any advice on a fix
Is this a common fault and any advice on a fix
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tarks63

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326 posts

247 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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A pillar trim pulling away from the A pillar. Would say it is slightly warped, 2006 car so doubt I would get any joy from Aston as no longer under warranty.
I could syringe some Epoxy type glue as a fix and get held in place while it dries.
Thanks for any help you guys give as it is always generally sensible.
Tarquin

Sorry if the photo is squiffy but I struggle with techy things.

tonyhall38

4,194 posts

245 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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i would try applying some gentle heat to it from hair dryer.....may make it stick back down again....i know some of the 54/06 plated cars had trim problems coming away....mine did on the rear parcel shelf....only in winter though...summer months it was fine....

jeremydb9

245 posts

165 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Epoxy is messy stuff and will take ages to dry. It was probably stuck initially with a contact adhesive - example Evo Stick.

You might be able to mask up the area, get a can of spray glue, attach a a long tube type applicator head and then spray the glue directly into the gap. Wait 10 mins whilst it dries and then press together.

Try the hair dryer first!





tarks63

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326 posts

247 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Have Guys.
Firstly thanks for the advice, I have tried the hair dryer trick but to no avail.
Have purchased a syringe with a some flexible tubing attachment.
I am going to mask up, then syringe into the gap a glue of some sort. I will source a brick or something and wedge it in place once the injecting has been done (starting to sound like a junkie now)
The next decision is which glue to use....araldite being the first choice at present.
A brick,syringe and some glue....starting to sound like a TVR mechanic!!!!

Lunablack

3,494 posts

191 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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I started out my working career as an upholsterer...... Well used to using contact adhesives.... If you go down this route, you have to ensure you apply the adhesive to both parts. you then allow it to go completely dry to the touch.

Do not be tempted to allow the arts to meet until the glue is dry.

Then it's pretty much a 1 shot deal, as soon as one art touches the other, it will stick solid... No room for adjustment and no room to "slide" one part against the other.

The upside is that if done correctly, it should hold foreversmile

tarks63

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326 posts

247 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Lunablack said:
I started out my working career as an upholsterer...... Well used to using contact adhesives.... If you go down this route, you have to ensure you apply the adhesive to both parts. you then allow it to go completely dry to the touch.

Do not be tempted to allow the arts to meet until the glue is dry.

Then it's pretty much a 1 shot deal, as soon as one art touches the other, it will stick solid... No room for adjustment and no room to "slide" one part against the other.

The upside is that if done correctly, it should hold foreversmile
Do you think araldite is an adequate solution as far as glue is concerned.

MaverickV12

1,086 posts

167 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Hello boys, you know the trim pieces are NOT glued in don't you?

Tomorrow I'll take a photo of the back of a removed piece of trim that you're looking at, it might help you see what holds it on. It sounds funny, but its all push fit, but you need to be a bit rough to get it in and out. You can take it out, replace the fixings, but the problem is the mis-shape will highly probably remain.

The only real way of getting rid of the shape is to try and take it apart and put it back in, but otherwise, its replacing it. If you took it apart, you could bend it back the other way.

Glue is a consideration, but the PH'er is right, once done it can't be undone ...... eek

Having said that the glue can be scraped off if needed ...... all according how strong the glue is .....

Gibberish

568 posts

172 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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tarks63 said:
Do you think araldite is an adequate solution as far as glue is concerned.
More suitable for bonding hard materials and could react with your trim.

I’d be very cautious about going anywhere near that panel with any sort of glue, it could go badly wrong.

It looks like you’ve had a little piggle at that Stratstone sticker.

If you want to get it off, a hair dryer worked a treat on mine.

tarks63

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326 posts

247 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Gibberish said:
More suitable for bonding hard materials and could react with your trim.

I’d be very cautious about going anywhere near that panel with any sort of glue, it could go badly wrong.

It looks like you’ve had a little piggle at that Stratstone sticker.

If you want to get it off, a hair dryer worked a treat on mine.
Ok...
Just got rid of the dodgy Stratstone sticker after putting up with it for a year..thanks for the tip Gibberish.Should of thought of it but just needed the nudge and now sorted you are a star.

Have set up a pressure wedge using some golf alignment sticks (they are flexible and you can wedge them into place but still put pressure at both ends, must patent them for that use) and an allen key to push the trim back in place while the glue sets.
In my view it looks like there is a little blob of glue that was holding the trim in place originally.
I could just do with a heads up on the glue front now.

Gibberish

568 posts

172 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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MaverickV12 said:
...Tomorrow I'll take a photo of the back of a removed piece of trim that you're looking at, it might help you see what holds it on.
Include ‘Spot the paracetamol’ or it won't be so interesting.

Lunablack

3,494 posts

191 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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tarks63 said:
Do you think araldite is an adequate solution as far as glue is concerned.
I wouldn't use it for this application...

As a tempory solution you could try some strong Velcro...the same type some folk use for holding number plates on...

SLacKer

2,622 posts

236 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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I have removed the whole trim piece in the past it was not glued to the car anywhere. Take it out and have a good look at the structure of the panel, has it warped or is it just badly fitted?

MaverickV12

1,086 posts

167 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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This is a spare roof trimming I have, it was difficult to photo because its long and thin. At the front, you can see there are no fixings at all, and through the whole trim piece there are only 5 christmas tree plastic fixings. No glue at all wink






tarks63

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326 posts

247 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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SLacKer said:
I have removed the whole trim piece in the past it was not glued to the car anywhere. Take it out and have a good look at the structure of the panel, has it warped or is it just badly fitted?
When you took the whole trim piece out did you have to remove any other parts or would it pull on its own.?
Thanks for the pics Maverick, it makes sense what you guys have all explained just cannot understand why that small section of the A pillar trim has warped.

V8 Animal

6,015 posts

239 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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How's your head now?

MaverickV12

1,086 posts

167 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Forgot to include coffee

Anyway, OP, the front part of the dash has to come out, all the leather trim around the front where it goes into the dash, needs to be taken out. There is a really good thread about this, i'll see if I can find it. Take out the front dash, and pull the headling side piece out.

Sounds complicated, but its straightforward. Look at the dash and stare-it-out, do not show any fear, then start pulling it apart wink

Sorry to say, but unless you can see something that is pushing the trim out of shape, I have a feeling that the trim has warped.

If you can't live with the tiny warp, then they only come in pairs, cost about £300.00 and will take about 7-8 weeks to come and they will be fully trimmed.

tarks63

Original Poster:

326 posts

247 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Thanks again Maverick,
I have given up on the glue idea after spending £30 on all sorts of syringes,tubes,glues etc.
Am presently wedging the offending little warped section back into place and periodically heating up with my wifes hair dryer when shes not looking,so eventually I am hoping it will return to its original form.
I do get the feeling that if I managed to get it extracted, which in all honesty I am a bit of a big girls blouse on that sort of job, it could be beaten with a very large stick smile back into its original shape.

Gibberish

568 posts

172 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Interesting post Maverick (but too easy,) hehe the thread you’re thinking of is in the FAQs http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...


I think that trim panel isn’t exactly where it should be by just a few millimetres and it’s bunched or twisted on being fitted last time.

If you feel you’re able to attempt it, do as suggested earlier, and warm it. You may get it back into shape before re-fitting it. Good luck.

SLacKer

2,622 posts

236 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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tarks63 said:
SLacKer said:
I have removed the whole trim piece in the past it was not glued to the car anywhere. Take it out and have a good look at the structure of the panel, has it warped or is it just badly fitted?
When you took the whole trim piece out did you have to remove any other parts or would it pull on its own.?
Thanks for the pics Maverick, it makes sense what you guys have all explained just cannot understand why that small section of the A pillar trim has warped.
It extends across the top of the door (DB9) and it just pulls out from the rear a bit at a time working your way forward. Mine had a small tag down at the base of the screen which had folded and was annoying me so I removed it to extend the tag properly.

If the underlying plastic is somehow warped a repair could be made to span the warp with a straight piece of plastic and glue from behind to strengthen the section.

MaverickV12

1,086 posts

167 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Gibberish said:
hehe the thread you’re thinking of is in the FAQs http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Spot on, that was the one I ment.....

OP, I think Gibberish has a point, if you take it off the car, you stand a much better chance of solving the problem. Put it on a bench and start thinking outside of the box, maybe use a thin piece of metal glued in position on the trim. Heat the trim, using more heat etc ..... Of course it could all go belly up, but then if you're not happy what would you have lost?

Buying 2 nice new pieces might freshen the car. Having said that, when you take the piece off, you might see something that is twisting it.

Put it on the bench and look at the issue again ....... smile