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Hello
I’ve been a bit of a learker on here the past while, but time to break silence! Last August I became the proud owner of a V8 Vantage. In, you’ve guessed it. Tungsten silver and suicide black leather.
What joy it has brought as the daily drive and weekend trips. Until…the snow came, then it promptly got put into storage. More for the fear of other numpties potentially pranging it. A month later, new job offer. Relocating me to the other end of the country. So I’m now kind of settled, well, enough to get my pride and joy back on the road.
The car has been sat for just over 3 months in a secure storage facility, where its regularly been rolled to save the tyres. That’s been about it though. No trickle charger, so the battery will be goosed, most likely needing replaced.
As far as starting what would be the best option, before my 9 hour drive down the road.
Bring a new battery and install myself? – would this effect warranty? If I could get away with it, I’d rather get the battery replaced at a later date.
Call Aston Martin Assist and let them deal with it?
Get a charger on the night before – can this be done from the jumping point under the bonnet? Would the battery reset button need to be pressed before the charge.
Reason I ask is that the facility would put the charger on for me.
Beg/borrow/steal a large capacity battery booster?
Apart fluid checks, fresh petrol and tyres, before starting and giving the engine a good few cranks with the ignition cut. Anything else I should be looking/checking for after such a long layoff?
I would also be interested to here from other Aston owners Runnymede/Spelthorne boroughs as to attitudes towards our cars. i.e. is my car going to get keyed at any opportunity?
Cheers
Barry
I’ve been a bit of a learker on here the past while, but time to break silence! Last August I became the proud owner of a V8 Vantage. In, you’ve guessed it. Tungsten silver and suicide black leather.
What joy it has brought as the daily drive and weekend trips. Until…the snow came, then it promptly got put into storage. More for the fear of other numpties potentially pranging it. A month later, new job offer. Relocating me to the other end of the country. So I’m now kind of settled, well, enough to get my pride and joy back on the road.
The car has been sat for just over 3 months in a secure storage facility, where its regularly been rolled to save the tyres. That’s been about it though. No trickle charger, so the battery will be goosed, most likely needing replaced.
As far as starting what would be the best option, before my 9 hour drive down the road.
Bring a new battery and install myself? – would this effect warranty? If I could get away with it, I’d rather get the battery replaced at a later date.
Call Aston Martin Assist and let them deal with it?
Get a charger on the night before – can this be done from the jumping point under the bonnet? Would the battery reset button need to be pressed before the charge.
Reason I ask is that the facility would put the charger on for me.
Beg/borrow/steal a large capacity battery booster?
Apart fluid checks, fresh petrol and tyres, before starting and giving the engine a good few cranks with the ignition cut. Anything else I should be looking/checking for after such a long layoff?
I would also be interested to here from other Aston owners Runnymede/Spelthorne boroughs as to attitudes towards our cars. i.e. is my car going to get keyed at any opportunity?
Cheers
Barry
Whether you jump start, re- charge the existing battery or replace with a new battery, make sure you first turnover engine with throttle fully open, foot flat on the floor, this way the engine will crank, but not start, you can do this until oil pressure light goes off, then start as normal.
baz86 said:
I would also be interested to here from other Aston owners Runnymede/Spelthorne boroughs as to attitudes towards our cars. i.e. is my car going to get keyed at any opportunity?
I live in Spelthorne borough.When out and about, generally people admire my car and always want a quick chat about it. There's a few Astons around here, and only a couple of miles from me is HWM, so locals are used to seeing them.
I don't think you will have any problems.
Ikebaddog said:
Whether you jump start, re- charge the existing battery or replace with a new battery, make sure you first turnover engine with throttle fully open, foot flat on the floor, this way the engine will crank, but not start, you can do this until oil pressure light goes off, then start as normal.
I have never really understood why this is recommended over a normal start. Given that if there is oil starvation, the components will still be turning and interacting with each other with no oil, so what is the point? Starting a modern engine after 3 months normally would be fine and the lack of oil at the top would literally be momentary, less so than cranking the engine over without ignition.
If my memory serves me correctly, the Aston manual suggest this as well doesn't it?
Chris
toohuge said:
I have never really understood why this is recommended over a normal start.
Given that if there is oil starvation, the components will still be turning and interacting with each other with no oil, so what is the point? Starting a modern engine after 3 months normally would be fine and the lack of oil at the top would literally be momentary, less so than cranking the engine over without ignition.
If my memory serves me correctly, the Aston manual suggest this as well doesn't it?
Chris
Because an engine turning over on a starter at a few rpm without the load placed on components when it fires up will do much less damage to components without a covering of oil. Given that if there is oil starvation, the components will still be turning and interacting with each other with no oil, so what is the point? Starting a modern engine after 3 months normally would be fine and the lack of oil at the top would literally be momentary, less so than cranking the engine over without ignition.
If my memory serves me correctly, the Aston manual suggest this as well doesn't it?
Chris
It is recommended in the handbook
Runneymeade / Spelthorne area - well known area for burning cars, slashing tyres etc. Nope lets be realistic, its a very well to do area (yep a few pockets of social housing), with lots of high end motors. Maranello (Ferrari) is is Egham. No one will take any notice of an Aston, they are as common as muck.
May be worth charging the battery, but be prepared to replace it. Askward to get at, but will not invalidate warranty. You will then need to do seat / window reset.
May be worth charging the battery, but be prepared to replace it. Askward to get at, but will not invalidate warranty. You will then need to do seat / window reset.
baz86 said:
Thanks for the quick replies. I'm sure the manual does suggest putting the pedal to the floor to cut the ignition while cranking. I can see the pros to sides of that one.
It also has a VERY clear procedure for jump starting from a flat batteryI'd follow it closely or you may fry a few control modules
Cockernee said:
Because an engine turning over on a starter at a few rpm without the load placed on components when it fires up will do much less damage to components without a covering of oil.
It is recommended in the handbook
I know that it is recommended in the handbook but that's not a huge indication.....some of the cars that I have driven recently recommend that you turn your mobile phone off when at petrol stations, when was the last time someone did that... It is recommended in the handbook
I just don't think that there is sufficient need to do this, it would be better with an Accusump system or something similar that raises oil pressure without having to move any of the components. I would also be surprised if the Aston engines are built to such tolerances that this would cause a problem, given that they are relatively low stressed engines as well as cars being moved at dealers/shipping I am sure that no one performs this procedure on start up.
Chris
toohuge said:
Cockernee said:
Because an engine turning over on a starter at a few rpm without the load placed on components when it fires up will do much less damage to components without a covering of oil.
It is recommended in the handbook
I know that it is recommended in the handbook but that's not a huge indication.....some of the cars that I have driven recently recommend that you turn your mobile phone off when at petrol stations, when was the last time someone did that... It is recommended in the handbook
I just don't think that there is sufficient need to do this, it would be better with an Accusump system or something similar that raises oil pressure without having to move any of the components. I would also be surprised if the Aston engines are built to such tolerances that this would cause a problem, given that they are relatively low stressed engines as well as cars being moved at dealers/shipping I am sure that no one performs this procedure on start up.
Chris
Ikebaddog said:
toohuge said:
Cockernee said:
Because an engine turning over on a starter at a few rpm without the load placed on components when it fires up will do much less damage to components without a covering of oil.
It is recommended in the handbook
I know that it is recommended in the handbook but that's not a huge indication.....some of the cars that I have driven recently recommend that you turn your mobile phone off when at petrol stations, when was the last time someone did that... It is recommended in the handbook
I just don't think that there is sufficient need to do this, it would be better with an Accusump system or something similar that raises oil pressure without having to move any of the components. I would also be surprised if the Aston engines are built to such tolerances that this would cause a problem, given that they are relatively low stressed engines as well as cars being moved at dealers/shipping I am sure that no one performs this procedure on start up.
Chris
If there is no need to do it, why did Ford build that facility into the ECU? Perhaps Professor Mike can answer this? I would suggest that there is sufficient data to support this procedure or why bother? Obviously I am no mechanical engineer and I have no data to support either argument, but I know that when starting from cold I would much rather not hear that metal to metal clatter for the sake of 6 seconds winding the engine over with my foot on the throttle.
toohuge said:
Cockernee said:
Because an engine turning over on a starter at a few rpm without the load placed on components when it fires up will do much less damage to components without a covering of oil.
It is recommended in the handbook
I know that it is recommended in the handbook but that's not a huge indication.....some of the cars that I have driven recently recommend that you turn your mobile phone off when at petrol stations, when was the last time someone did that... It is recommended in the handbook
I just don't think that there is sufficient need to do this, it would be better with an Accusump system or something similar that raises oil pressure without having to move any of the components. I would also be surprised if the Aston engines are built to such tolerances that this would cause a problem, given that they are relatively low stressed engines as well as cars being moved at dealers/shipping I am sure that no one performs this procedure on start up.
Chris
How many satnavs do you have?
yeti said:
Back off Cockers, we've got an expert. Facts have no place here now
How many satnavs do you have?
3 just in case and I have all versions of the Michelin maps from 2004 until 2012. You never can be too careful How many satnavs do you have?
I also have a solar battery charger, just in case the battery in my car does not have sufficient power to run them all
Jon39 said:
Re. oil pressure and starting, following dormant periods.
We all see the reservoir / topping up tank, on Vantages.
With a dry sump lubrication system, is there a much bigger tank somewhere, which contains most of the oil when the engine is not running? If so where is it positioned?
Oil slowly drains from the high mounted tank to the engine's crankcase...that's where your oil is. Hence the need to run the engine first, then shut off, before checking the dipstick in the tank.We all see the reservoir / topping up tank, on Vantages.
With a dry sump lubrication system, is there a much bigger tank somewhere, which contains most of the oil when the engine is not running? If so where is it positioned?
yeti said:
toohuge said:
Cockernee said:
Because an engine turning over on a starter at a few rpm without the load placed on components when it fires up will do much less damage to components without a covering of oil.
It is recommended in the handbook
I know that it is recommended in the handbook but that's not a huge indication.....some of the cars that I have driven recently recommend that you turn your mobile phone off when at petrol stations, when was the last time someone did that... It is recommended in the handbook
I just don't think that there is sufficient need to do this, it would be better with an Accusump system or something similar that raises oil pressure without having to move any of the components. I would also be surprised if the Aston engines are built to such tolerances that this would cause a problem, given that they are relatively low stressed engines as well as cars being moved at dealers/shipping I am sure that no one performs this procedure on start up.
Chris
How many satnavs do you have?
The facts are that when you turn it on the starter and prevent it firing, you are filling all the oil gallery's and getting the oil upto the camshafts. It also means that when you do fire it up the oil wedge required to stop all the bearings destroying themselves is instantly there. It is a long established engineering practice, especially as cockers say's, after the car has been left standing for some time. Of course if you think that's all bull, then indeed dont bother. Ho Ho!
....have I opened a can'o'worms here? Haha
Thanks anyhow.
since im down this neck of the woods now I've been making arrangements to get to the factory. The dealership is getting back to me next week with dates. Can't wait to get the vantage back on the road and take a trip yo gaydon.
Wrong forum I know, but any ideas as to how to get a visit to McLaren? i stumbled across it the other week, its only 10 minutes away from me.
Thanks anyhow.
since im down this neck of the woods now I've been making arrangements to get to the factory. The dealership is getting back to me next week with dates. Can't wait to get the vantage back on the road and take a trip yo gaydon.
Wrong forum I know, but any ideas as to how to get a visit to McLaren? i stumbled across it the other week, its only 10 minutes away from me.
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