Aston's New Engine
Discussion
thetees said:
Not seen this anywhere else (and you are going to have to trust me on this)...
Currently in final testing Aston Martin's new engine;
6.2 littre V12 twin turbo delivering 798 bhp.
Built in the uk and due for release in 2016.
Discuss...
depends what car they intend it for. Too much power for V12V/S to take, completely un necessary in a GT to the point it may even be detrimental to overall experience. I know it sounds like they can't win because we currently say the cars are underpowered compared to the competition and I accept that other mfrs will up the power race too over the next 3 yrs, but this seems odd to meCurrently in final testing Aston Martin's new engine;
6.2 littre V12 twin turbo delivering 798 bhp.
Built in the uk and due for release in 2016.
Discuss...
Unless of course it's in a say 250k car outside the current range
The cars will be better off with significant weight savings or better gearboxes/traction to transfer the power, than an upping of almost 50% to engine power output
ALL IMHO of course
thetees said:
Not seen this anywhere else (and you are going to have to trust me on this)...
Currently in final testing Aston Martin's new engine;
6.2 littre V12 twin turbo delivering 798 bhp.
Built in the uk and due for release in 2016.
Discuss...
Makes no sense. In final testing but not for sale until 2016.Currently in final testing Aston Martin's new engine;
6.2 littre V12 twin turbo delivering 798 bhp.
Built in the uk and due for release in 2016.
Discuss...
So they finish testing and leave it on the shelf for the rest of 2013 and all of 2014 and 2015?
Also, not sure why you would increase the capacity and turbo-charge it. Every other manufacturer reduces capacity and adds forced induction.
I think 798bhp would be a big challenge for the rest of the drivetrain, chassis, brakes, handling. Could you sensibly put the massive torque from that sort of engine through an RWD chassis?
To be sure - I'd love one. But I don't see how this can fit into an Aston Martin VH platform and be driveable by mere mortals without a MASSIVE R&D expenditure to add in a mountain of driver aids and upgraded components.
JohnG1 said:
Makes no sense. In final testing but not for sale until 2016.
So they finish testing and leave it on the shelf for the rest of 2013 and all of 2014 and 2015?
Also, not sure why you would increase the capacity and turbo-charge it. Every other manufacturer reduces capacity and adds forced induction.
I think 798bhp would be a big challenge for the rest of the drivetrain, chassis, brakes, handling. Could you sensibly put the massive torque from that sort of engine through an RWD chassis?
To be sure - I'd love one. But I don't see how this can fit into an Aston Martin VH platform and be driveable by mere mortals without a MASSIVE R&D expenditure to add in a mountain of driver aids and upgraded components.
Makes a fair bit of sense when you put it in the context of AM's drip feed improvementsSo they finish testing and leave it on the shelf for the rest of 2013 and all of 2014 and 2015?
Also, not sure why you would increase the capacity and turbo-charge it. Every other manufacturer reduces capacity and adds forced induction.
I think 798bhp would be a big challenge for the rest of the drivetrain, chassis, brakes, handling. Could you sensibly put the massive torque from that sort of engine through an RWD chassis?
To be sure - I'd love one. But I don't see how this can fit into an Aston Martin VH platform and be driveable by mere mortals without a MASSIVE R&D expenditure to add in a mountain of driver aids and upgraded components.
Plus have already tested this engine with Hydrogen injection and raced it.
They have form for doing this then detuning for a launch production car, then slowly increasing the spec by drip feeding already tested components in to model updates (N400 air boxes, ASM2 box)
Info on what I think is this engine below
The hydrogen injection is a red herring and very little is made of the twin turbo install
This is a road car with a rollcage and detuned to 550 BHP for race regulations
http://www.astonmartin.com/n24/rapide-s
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport/hydro...
The 1-77 is 750 BHP & RWD, there are plenty of other high power RWD cars out there
Imagine how many models they could use this in if it will go from 550 - ~800 BHP
Edited by mikey k on Wednesday 17th July 13:45
mikey k said:
Makes a fair bit of sense when you put it in the context of AM's drip feed improvements
Plus have already tested this engine with Hydrogen injection and raced it.
They have form for doing this then detuning for a launch production car, then slowly increasing the spec by drip feeding already tested components in to model updates (N400 air boxes, ASM2 box)
Info on what I think is this engine below
The hydrogen injection is a red herring and very little is made of the twin turbo install
This is a road car with a rollcage and detuned to 550 BHP for race regulations
http://www.astonmartin.com/n24/rapide-s
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport/hydro...
The 1-77 is 750 BHP & RWD, there are plenty of other high power RWD cars out there
The 1-77 drivetrain is not fit for purpose though. It chews up clutches. Hence AML have an engineer on standby to fly wherever and fit a new clutch to 1-77.Plus have already tested this engine with Hydrogen injection and raced it.
They have form for doing this then detuning for a launch production car, then slowly increasing the spec by drip feeding already tested components in to model updates (N400 air boxes, ASM2 box)
Info on what I think is this engine below
The hydrogen injection is a red herring and very little is made of the twin turbo install
This is a road car with a rollcage and detuned to 550 BHP for race regulations
http://www.astonmartin.com/n24/rapide-s
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport/hydro...
The 1-77 is 750 BHP & RWD, there are plenty of other high power RWD cars out there
Serious question - what else is out there in series production with nigh on 800bhp?
Someone else may be able to confirm but I think that proposed power output would be the most powerful regular series production car ever. Not something I'd expect from AML...
George29 said:
Cosworth might not be doing that much since it looks like they're not doing F1 engines next year.
Could also be Ricardo though?
Cosworth did One-77. I have a lot of pictures Could also be Ricardo though?
I am sensibly assuming much of what was learned there will be applied to this... But yeah, it's AML, whoever is cheapest will get it!
JohnG1 said:
Serious question - what else is out there in series production with nigh on 800bhp?
Someone else may be able to confirm but I think that proposed power output would be the most powerful regular series production car ever. Not something I'd expect from AML...
quite right - outside the hypercars including the current crop of laferrari, P1 & 918, you're looking at Ferrari F12 with 730/740bhp and aventador with 700bhp as the most powerful I guessSomeone else may be able to confirm but I think that proposed power output would be the most powerful regular series production car ever. Not something I'd expect from AML...
Won't be long before a few other cars e.g. 458 replacement & McLaren 12C are knocking very close on the door of 700
remember though that in power to weight terms, well over 400 bhp per tonne is commonplace in series production Ferraris, Lambos, McLaren, etc (e.g Ferrari F12 at 423). Current vanquish weighs 1835kg so if it had this rumoured new engine and weighed the same as it does now, it would be 434bhp per tonne
JohnG1 said:
Serious question - what else is out there in series production with nigh on 800bhp?
I guess it depends on the definition of "production"A few I can think of are Venom GT, SSC Aero, Gumpert Apollo, most 9ff 911's, most Koenigsegg's, a few Shelby Mustangs, La Ferrari, the 1-77
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