Head to Head - Aston Martin V12 Vantage S & V12 Vantage
Head to Head - Aston Martin V12 Vantage S & V12 Vantage
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northernmedia

Original Poster:

1,988 posts

168 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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Shame on you if you only own a non 'S' wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-9x_bn-qH0

ds2000

2,756 posts

222 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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I saw that and thought the same, the numbers on that thing are staggering.


V12woollie

4,363 posts

175 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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ds2000 said:
I saw that and thought the same, the numbers on that thing are staggering.
A half second quicker to 60mph, and a lot of that half second is probably lost in the first to second gear change in the manual car. I would have expected more for the V12VS given the power and torque hike.

Just as well one of them was ahead as the other would have been in for a bumpy ride on the left hand side! Interesting that it was the manual V12V on the left. I would like to see that done again on a stretch of tarmac where one driver isn't thinking about the up-coming bump strips across the lane.

Not saying the manual would be able to keep up though.

IanV12VR

2,749 posts

185 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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Wouldn't expect the manual to keep up with the S with the sports shift box. So not a surprising result. More than happy with mine yes

northernmedia

Original Poster:

1,988 posts

168 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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IanV12VR said:
Wouldn't expect the manual to keep up with the S with the sports shift box. So not a surprising result. More than happy with mine yes
Indeed, I'd be MORE than happy with a 'normal' V12 lick

AMDBSNick

7,219 posts

192 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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Just read the PH review on the "S" biggrin

Go vote here as well peeps

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

robgt

2,587 posts

192 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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V12 Vantage owners do not despair, take your pride and joy to Bamford Rose who will liberate the extra ponies to take your car upto 570 BHP . That will be more than enough to trounce the real World 545 ish BHP that the new V12 S is currently lauding.

Lunablack

3,494 posts

192 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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robgt said:
V12 Vantage owners do not despair, take your pride and joy to Bamford Rose who will liberate the extra ponies to take your car upto 570 BHP . That will be more than enough to trounce the real World 545 ish BHP that the new V12 S is currently lauding.
But what if the S owners go to BR toohehe

robgt

2,587 posts

192 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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Well that will be it then! We are all doomed. Pearl only has 468 fit little ponies! Molly did a fly past me the other day. Dear God what a V8 racket almost scary. Bloody Luvly!

robgt

2,587 posts

192 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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Well that will be it then! We are all doomed. Pearl only has 468 fit little ponies! Molly did a fly past me the other day. Dear God what a V8 racket almost scary. Bloody Luvly!

erics

2,720 posts

241 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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northernmedia said:
Shame on you if you only own a non 'S' wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-9x_bn-qH0
It is n Aston made video right?

DB9VolanteDriver

2,658 posts

206 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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robgt said:
... trounce the real World 545 ish BHP that the new V12 S is currently lauding.
On what basis do you make this statement? Have you insider knowledge that AM is exaggerating the bhp claims of their motor? Manufacturers may have done this in the past, but they no longer take part in these shenanigans.

Bravo73

1,858 posts

204 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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DB9VolanteDriver said:
robgt said:
... trounce the real World 545 ish BHP that the new V12 S is currently lauding.
On what basis do you make this statement? Have you insider knowledge that AM is exaggerating the bhp claims of their motor? Manufacturers may have done this in the past, but they no longer take part in these shenanigans.
Wanna bet?

BamfordMike said:
The standard dyno test recorded 599.2Nm @ 6000 rpm, the factory claim 620 and 543.7BHP @ 6500 rpm, the factory claim 565BHP.
This refers to a new Vanquish. The original post is halfway down this page: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

northernmedia

Original Poster:

1,988 posts

168 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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erics said:
It is n Aston made video right?
Yep, directly from their twitter feed.

Guycord

744 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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robgt said:
V12 Vantage owners do not despair, take your pride and joy to Bamford Rose who will liberate the extra ponies to take your car upto 570 BHP . That will be more than enough to trounce the real World 545 ish BHP that the new V12 S is currently lauding.
Indeed. If some of us cant already do it.

DB9VolanteDriver

2,658 posts

206 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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Bravo73 said:
DB9VolanteDriver said:
robgt said:
... trounce the real World 545 ish BHP that the new V12 S is currently lauding.
On what basis do you make this statement? Have you insider knowledge that AM is exaggerating the bhp claims of their motor? Manufacturers may have done this in the past, but they no longer take part in these shenanigans.
Wanna bet?

BamfordMike said:
The standard dyno test recorded 599.2Nm @ 6000 rpm, the factory claim 620 and 543.7BHP @ 6500 rpm, the factory claim 565BHP.
This refers to a new Vanquish. The original post is halfway down this page: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I see no engine test cell dyno runs in that thread; did I miss them? If you are suggesting that a chassis dyno can in any way, shape, or form provide the equivalent of a engine dynometer run to either SAE or JS standard procedures you are very mistaken. Chassis dynos are useful only for comparative purposes, and only then if the testing takes place on the same unit, on the same day, by the same person. When these variables are not controlled, errors in the comparative results can be significant.

Post again when you have engine dyno plots confirming that the factory is 'lying' about engine output. I am sure that BamfordMike, having been a development engineer, will confirm that chassis dynos cannot be used to confirm or repudiate engine output testing IAW international standards.

Bravo73

1,858 posts

204 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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DB9VolanteDriver said:
Post again when you have engine dyno plots confirming that the factory is 'lying' about engine output.
Mwhahaha.

I think that you need to take yourself slightly less seriously.

Impasse

15,099 posts

271 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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The S is lighter, has more power and a quicker gear change. What other outcome would there be? It's just progress, that's all and is used to laud the new car rather than demean the previous model.

hornbaek

3,832 posts

265 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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I drove the S at Silverstone and it did not feel significantly faster than the V12V on track. That might be different on the road. The paddle shift was "ok" but not groundbreaking. Aston is one generation behind the likes of Porsche PDK and Ferrari F12 territory so whilst it works ok it is by no means seamless/quick. Great car however but not for me.

DB9VolanteDriver

2,658 posts

206 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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Bravo73 said:
DB9VolanteDriver said:
Post again when you have engine dyno plots confirming that the factory is 'lying' about engine output.
Mwhahaha.

I think that you need to take yourself slightly less seriously.
Perhaps you should. You are, after all, the one trying to prove that AM's engine claims are not factual.