Aston Martin Nordschleife lap times

[roughrider]

Just a thought.

In the hope that someone from Aston Martin Marketing or Brand Communications may be whiling away a couple of minutes reading the forum, please may i make a suggestion?

As far as i can ascertain, the quickest official lap by an Aston Martin is
by a DBS at 8'02", which is position 102 in the rankings. A Corvette
Z06 which has virtually the same power/weight ratio, and similar
handling characteristics as a V12S, does 7'22" [2011] ranked position
14 with Mr Jim Mero [see onboard footage on Youtube] at the wheel.
I would hazard a guess that a V12S driven properly could
manage sub 7'20", which would put Aston Martin in the top 10....

I have driven both a V12 Vantage manual, and a Corvette Z06 around
the ring, and there's nothing in it.

The cost to do this from NTC would be minimal, apart from driver, official timekeeper, and
a couple of hours circuit hire. The car would have to have the lightweight seats, NO B&O audio, and a 4 or 5 point harness, and maybe nitrogen filled tyres for predictability? As Aston Martin use the Nordschleife for vehicle development, the logistics would be relatively easy. It would be a great statement to make from a marketing perspective.

As for a driver, i'm sure Sir Goble or Herr Schubauer would be tempted, or draft in Pedro Lamy or Stephane Sarrazin??
Obviously, i'd like to go along and help out with tyre pressures, cups of tea, etc...................

PS
Porsche GT3RS 7'27" 2011
Porscha GT2RS 7'18" 2010
Aventador 7'25" 2011
SLS 7'26" 2013
458 7'28" 2009
MP4 7'28" 2010

[roughrider]

Oh, and maybe while the circuit is booked, send a Rapide S for a couple of laps, i think it would be an impressive time!

[Fantuzzi]

Im surprised you didn't feel the 230kg difference between the zo6 and v12s, that impressive body control by aston!

I think on a balls out lap though it wont be able to match the lighter cars, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

Is there a reason aston hasn't officially realised a laptime?

[roughrider]

I really don't know why Aston Martin haven't posted a time recently? Although the Z06 is lighter, it has transversely mounted Carbon fibre leaf springs, and over the high speed bumpy sections, you really need to be on the correct trajectory. The V12 seems more composed, so you can press on with more confidence. Around Spa however, velvety smooth tarmac plays to the Z06's lighter weight, despite the leaf springs.

Edited by roughrider on Thursday 6th February 09:58

[Guycord]

......or maybe Aston and the majority of customers/Owners dont want to get into a pissing match on such stats?

[Impasse]

Guycord said:

......or maybe Aston and the majority of customers/Owners dont want to get into a pissing match on such stats?

And the rest just don't care.

[roughrider]

Wouldn't it be worthwhile to try and attract customers from other brands who own GT3'S, Lamborghini's, SLS etc? Unfortunately, the statistics are very important to some people.

[Quinny]

If they want to get further up the rankings......maybe a V8s would be a better choice than the V12??

[robgt]

One of Astons test drivers told me that the V8S is quicker around the Nordschleife than the V12. There is an interesting clip on U .Tube entitled GT4 versus V12V, worth a look.

[jonby]

AML have a base at the ring. They are there all the time. They will have a better idea than most of what times the cars can do ringtimes in

There is only one logical explanation as to why they don't publish them - they won't look that good.........

[Gio1210]

Dr Bez has stated many times that he does not focus on numbers for production cars!

We've all seen what AM can do with racing cars and taking into account the financial difficulties, well done to them.

A V12S will definitely have an impressive time around the track, however even if its time is that good, i don't think Aston will publish it purely because their product is not a stripped out supercar that has impressive times, but a luxury supercar that offers a combination of quality, luxury, performance etc.

If that time was to published then you attract a different clientele with different expectations and i'm not sure Aston wants to get into that market.

In my opinion AM covers a segment that it's quite unique..

[Quinny]

^^^^^^ if hey have no interest, why did they publish a time for the DBS as mentioned above

[roughrider]

The reason i started this topic, is that if a car with 352 BHP/Tonne [Z06], with the same weight distribution as a V12S with 340 BHP/Tonne can lap in 7'22", i'm pretty sure the V12S could put up a very respectable time. You can offset the Z06's better torque against the better stability in the Aston Martin.
So, if its not been attempted already, i think it would be a very worthwhile exercise.....

[robgt]

robgt said:

One of Astons test drivers told me that the V8S is quicker around the Nordschleife than the V12. There is an interesting clip on U .Tube entitled GT4 versus V12V, worth a look.

This one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDHhlXb1RAg

[Impasse]

roughrider said:

The reason i started this topic, is that if a car with 352 BHP/Tonne [Z06], with the same weight distribution as a V12S with 340 BHP/Tonne can lap in 7'22", i'm pretty sure the V12S could put up a very respectable time. You can offset the Z06's better torque against the better stability in the Aston Martin.
So, if its not been attempted already, i think it would be a very worthwhile exercise.....

Do you foresee the two cars competing for the same type of buyer?

[DB9VolanteDriver]

Quinny said:

^^^^^^ if hey have no interest, why did they publish a time for the DBS as mentioned above

Because 'they'(AML) didn't record that time..some private party did so.

[Zod]

robgt said:

One of Astons test drivers told me that the V8S is quicker around the Nordschleife than the V12. There is an interesting clip on U .Tube entitled GT4 versus V12V, worth a look.

It can't be. The V12 would be much faster on the Doettinger Hoehe.

[Quinny]

Zod said:

It can't be. The V12 would be much faster on the Doettinger Hoehe.

That doesn't mean it'd be faster on the lap.... A KTM x bow can just about do 150 flat out.. A Lambo aventador can do 217...
They both laped the Nurburgring in the same time... 7mins 25..

[Zod]

Quinny said:

Zod said:

It can't be. The V12 would be much faster on the Doettinger Hoehe.

That doesn't mean it'd be faster on the lap.... A KTM x bow can just about do 150 flat out.. A Lambo aventador can do 217...
They both laped the Nurburgring in the same time... 7mins 25..

Sure, but the difference in the corners and on the dips and crests between Aventador and X-Bow would be greater than that between V12V and V8S.

[whoami]

DB9VolanteDriver said:

Quinny said:

^^^^^^ if hey have no interest, why did they publish a time for the DBS as mentioned above

Because 'they'(AML) didn't record that time..some private party did so.

Good point.

I've always thought it strange that 3rd parties haven't bothered to time the V12V there.