Oh Dear - Jamming laser, allegedly!

[steveatesh]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2627357/Dr...

Aston Martin driver in Stockton caught allegedly jamming laser speed device with a LaserStar apparently fitted by an AM main dealer.

I'll not add one of those to my wish list then!

[divetheworld]

That's proper trouble that if he gets convicted.

[V8LM]

"who appeared in court wearing a pinstripe suit and white shirt" and stty, untied trainers.

[W1111AM]

I've been researching a kit for my car.
In the end I purchased road legal Escort Passport 9500xi intl unit from Spain via Mail order. It is a very clever unit with free UK GPS Database and updates. It self-learns false alarms. I think it is great as it helps me to being safer driver as the alerts help remind you of your speed on those occasions when that big engine is gliding you faster than you think.
There are so many speed detector kits in the UK, but they are years behind the Escort company in the US. Escort purchased their next best competitor Beltronics (but their system does not use GPS.

[Little Donkey]

W1111AM said:

I've been researching a kit for my car.
In the end I purchased road legal Escort Passport 9500xi intl unit from Spain via Mail order. It is a very clever unit with free UK GPS Database and updates. It self-learns false alarms. I think it is great as it helps me to being safer driver as the alerts help remind you of your speed on those occasions when that big engine is gliding you faster than you think.
There are so many speed detector kits in the UK, but they are years behind the Escort company in the US. Escort purchased their next best competitor Beltronics (but their system does not use GPS.

........and the laser detection is compatible with the systems used by various roadside photographic societies here in the UK?

[Ice27]

V8LM said:

"who appeared in court wearing a pinstripe suit and white shirt" and stty, untied trainers.

and his tie tucked into his waistband. Shocking sartorial style, he deserves to be prosecuted!

[jonby]

the normal legal way round this is to have a device that operates your garage door that co-incidentally happens to be the same frequency that jams police radar guns

looked into this a few years ago so things may have changed

decided it wasn't worth the hassle/cost/potential ramifications

[yeti]

Ice27 said:

and his tie tucked into his waistband. Shocking sartorial style, he deserves to be prosecuted!

Indeed, and a Paul Smith tie unless I am mistaken.

Seriously though, who cares? Are there no other crimes out there for the police to spend their time on? Is there no-one more deserving of prosecution than an old bloke in an awful suit trying not to get a speeding ticket? Pathetic.

[Mr Aston Martin]

Sentencing guidelines suggest 4 to 18 months imprisonment. In addition is the seemingly overwhelming piece of evidence which confirms the defendant had paid for the installation of the jammer followed by a plea of not guilty m'lud which no doubt will go against the defendant if found guilty.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manu...


It has to be said, given the pool and standard of jurors I would have probably plead not guilty as well......


On a more serious note, there is a time and a place for stretching the legs of your car and 30-40 and 50mph limits are where the majority of accidents occur which makes the decision to fit a jammer all the more questionable when a higher standard of driving and some restraint would suffice. The national speed limit and when safe to make progress is another question altogether but most rural b roads are having a rolling 50mph limit imposed which just underlines the relentless march on speed HMG are pursuing.

[yeti]

Mr Aston Martin said:

In addition is the seemingly overwhelming piece of evidence which confirms the defendant had paid for the installation of the jammer followed by a plea of not guilty m'lud which no doubt will go against the defendant if found guilty.

I admit, the plea makes no sense to me either. Better to plead guilty and ignorant - no defense of course but might help to mitigate the sentence. Hopefully suspended for a chap of his age and dress sense.

I assume his lawyer advised the non-guilty plea for whatever reason.

[Jon1967x]

yeti said:

Are there no other crimes out there for the police to spend their time on? Is there no-one more deserving of prosecution than an old bloke in an awful suit trying not to get a speeding ticket?

Yeah.. and what's wrong with giving your wife the speeding ticket if you get one - its only a tax and they still got their money

(for the avoidance of doubt.. I am being sarcastic. Its sometimes hard to tell with me.

[Little Donkey]

yeti said:

Indeed, and a Paul Smith tie unless I am mistaken.

Seriously though, who cares? Are there no other crimes out there for the police to spend their time on? Is there no-one more deserving of prosecution than an old bloke in an awful suit trying not to get a speeding ticket? Pathetic.

Just for a laugh, try rolling that particular grenade into the speed, plod and the law forum. Go on, I dare ya!

[W1111AM]

Little Donkey said:

W1111AM said:

I've been researching a kit for my car.
In the end I purchased road legal Escort Passport 9500xi intl unit from Spain via Mail order. It is a very clever unit with free UK GPS Database and updates. It self-learns false alarms. I think it is great as it helps me to being safer driver as the alerts help remind you of your speed on those occasions when that big engine is gliding you faster than you think.
There are so many speed detector kits in the UK, but they are years behind the Escort company in the US. Escort purchased their next best competitor Beltronics (but their system does not use GPS.

........and the laser detection is compatible with the systems used by various roadside photographic societies here in the UK?

Yes

[Little Donkey]

W1111AM said:

Little Donkey said:

W1111AM said:

I've been researching a kit for my car.
In the end I purchased road legal Escort Passport 9500xi intl unit from Spain via Mail order. It is a very clever unit with free UK GPS Database and updates. It self-learns false alarms. I think it is great as it helps me to being safer driver as the alerts help remind you of your speed on those occasions when that big engine is gliding you faster than you think.
There are so many speed detector kits in the UK, but they are years behind the Escort company in the US. Escort purchased their next best competitor Beltronics (but their system does not use GPS.

........and the laser detection is compatible with the systems used by various roadside photographic societies here in the UK?

Yes

A PM detailing your route to purchase would be gratefully received. Thanks.

[divetheworld]

Not guilty. He didnt ask for a device that PCoJ, simply a device that "requested equipment to alert him of speed cameras ahead.".
Seems like ignorance is a defence.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/11217101.Bus...

[Little Donkey]

divetheworld said:

Not guilty. He didnt ask for a device that PCoJ, simply a device that "requested equipment to alert him of speed cameras ahead.".
Seems like ignorance is a defence.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/11217101.Bus...

Good. Although, I would have sent him down for crimes against suits. That's a shocker!

[George29]

yeti said:

Seriously though, who cares? Are there no other crimes out there for the police to spend their time on? Is there no-one more deserving of prosecution than an old bloke in an awful suit trying not to get a speeding ticket? Pathetic.

My thoughts exactly.

[Jon39]

divetheworld said:

Not guilty. He didnt ask for a device that PCoJ, simply a device that "requested equipment to alert him of speed cameras ahead.".
Seems like ignorance is a defence.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/11217101.Bus...

Possibly extremely lucky.

Does your Aston Martin already have, 'equipment to alert (him) of speed cameras ahead', as a standard part of the 'satnav' system'?

[Jon1967x]

Jon39 said:

Possibly extremely lucky.

Does your Aston Martin already have, 'equipment to alert (him) of speed cameras ahead', as a standard part of the 'satnav' system'?

Mine does, but there is a world of difference between "if you speed here you might get caught" and "you can speed here and we'll prevent them collecting the evidence"

I think the French have know even banned the former

[Jon39]

Jon1967x said:

Mine does, but there is a world of difference between "if you speed here you might get caught" and "you can speed here and we'll prevent them collecting the evidence"

I am not sure that you spotted my point, Jon.

One of the two lines of defense (shown in the linked report), indicate asking for a device to be fitted, that a modern Aston Martin (and most other new cars now), would already have fitted as standard equipment.

Perhaps the defendant wanted a better audible warning.