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Not bad, shame they can't get some of the details right though 
The engine has not been touched from the coupe version
ALL roadsters have the leather "buttresses"
No mention of the other cosmetic details
No mention it is just the coupe with no roof
Their review of the coupe contradicts this one as well
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/aston-martin/v...
Can't decide if that is Mako or Lightning?
The engine has not been touched from the coupe version
ALL roadsters have the leather "buttresses"
No mention of the other cosmetic details
No mention it is just the coupe with no roof
Their review of the coupe contradicts this one as well
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/aston-martin/v...
Can't decide if that is Mako or Lightning?
mikey k said:
Not bad, shame they can't get some of the details right though
The engine has not been touched from the coupe version
ALL roadsters have the leather "buttresses"
No mention of the other cosmetic details
No mention it is just the coupe with no roof
Their review of the coupe contradicts this one as well
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/aston-martin/v...
Can't decide if that is Mako or Lightning?
Yep - it was the leather buttresses comment in particular I couldn't get my head aroundThe engine has not been touched from the coupe version
ALL roadsters have the leather "buttresses"
No mention of the other cosmetic details
No mention it is just the coupe with no roof
Their review of the coupe contradicts this one as well
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/aston-martin/v...
Can't decide if that is Mako or Lightning?
But what as always annoys me is the gearbox comments. THey just don't get the point of V12V - it's like an uncaged animal, full of drama, not a GT. Yes it is more than capable of grand touring duties, as I use it for, but that's not the same as being a GT. A torque convertor auto as is suggested in the article, however good the latest unit undoubtedly is, would be the exact opposite of everything that both iterations of V12V (original and S model) stands for
Once again, they are comparing SS to the wrong type of box. Instead of saying it's a slow gearchange compared to auto or DSG, why not say it's a quicker gearchange than a 3 pedal manual box - this is an automated/clutchless manual after all, not an automatic. I honestly think in many ways it would be better if SS boxes had no auto (drive) option at all
For me, the problem is that since the old days when the choice was manual or auto, what at first were a few (often poor) flappy paddle boxes, we now have a much more definitive order. DSG boxes are in practice, much more akin to torque convertor autos and single clutch flappy paddle boxes much more akin to a manual box.
jonby said:
mikey k said:
Not bad, shame they can't get some of the details right though
The engine has not been touched from the coupe version
ALL roadsters have the leather "buttresses"
No mention of the other cosmetic details
No mention it is just the coupe with no roof
Their review of the coupe contradicts this one as well
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/aston-martin/v...
Can't decide if that is Mako or Lightning?
Yep - it was the leather buttresses comment in particular I couldn't get my head aroundThe engine has not been touched from the coupe version
ALL roadsters have the leather "buttresses"
No mention of the other cosmetic details
No mention it is just the coupe with no roof
Their review of the coupe contradicts this one as well
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/aston-martin/v...
Can't decide if that is Mako or Lightning?
But what as always annoys me is the gearbox comments. THey just don't get the point of V12V - it's like an uncaged animal, full of drama, not a GT. Yes it is more than capable of grand touring duties, as I use it for, but that's not the same as being a GT. A torque convertor auto as is suggested in the article, however good the latest unit undoubtedly is, would be the exact opposite of everything that both iterations of V12V (original and S model) stands for
Once again, they are comparing SS to the wrong type of box. Instead of saying it's a slow gearchange compared to auto or DSG, why not say it's a quicker gearchange than a 3 pedal manual box - this is an automated/clutchless manual after all, not an automatic. I honestly think in many ways it would be better if SS boxes had no auto (drive) option at all
For me, the problem is that since the old days when the choice was manual or auto, what at first were a few (often poor) flappy paddle boxes, we now have a much more definitive order. DSG boxes are in practice, much more akin to torque convertor autos and single clutch flappy paddle boxes much more akin to a manual box. When journos continue to compare SS to DSG/torque convertors, they simply miss the point.
jonby said:
I honestly think in many ways it would be better if SS boxes had no auto (drive) option at all
For me, the problem is that since the old days when the choice was manual or auto, what at first were a few (often poor) flappy paddle boxes, we now have a much more definitive order. DSG boxes are in practice, much more akin to torque convertor autos and single clutch flappy paddle boxes much more akin to a manual box.
Totally agree - not having an auto mode on single clutch automated manuals would be a damn good idea! It is always a weak point for them and detracts from their strengths over the twin clutch autos to which people always compare them.For me, the problem is that since the old days when the choice was manual or auto, what at first were a few (often poor) flappy paddle boxes, we now have a much more definitive order. DSG boxes are in practice, much more akin to torque convertor autos and single clutch flappy paddle boxes much more akin to a manual box.
AdamV12V said:
jonby said:
I honestly think in many ways it would be better if SS boxes had no auto (drive) option at all
For me, the problem is that since the old days when the choice was manual or auto, what at first were a few (often poor) flappy paddle boxes, we now have a much more definitive order. DSG boxes are in practice, much more akin to torque convertor autos and single clutch flappy paddle boxes much more akin to a manual box.
Totally agree - not having an auto mode on single clutch automated manuals would be a damn good idea! It is always a weak point for them and detracts from their strengths over the twin clutch autos to which people always compare them.For me, the problem is that since the old days when the choice was manual or auto, what at first were a few (often poor) flappy paddle boxes, we now have a much more definitive order. DSG boxes are in practice, much more akin to torque convertor autos and single clutch flappy paddle boxes much more akin to a manual box.
Good point Peter and I wasn't particularly thinking it likely, just mentioning it would be good if they could !
Here's a more sensible review that seems to 'get' the car
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results...
What both reviews suffer from is a lack of clarity when referring to the 'new engine, new gearbox, etc' that mikey also mentions. I think in those instances, it's simply poor attention to detail, as I guess they mean 'new' compared to the V12VR, as opposed to compared to the V12VS coupe
Right then, just need the cars to start arriving so I can find someone to sell my 'V12VSR' plate to !
Here's a more sensible review that seems to 'get' the car
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results...
What both reviews suffer from is a lack of clarity when referring to the 'new engine, new gearbox, etc' that mikey also mentions. I think in those instances, it's simply poor attention to detail, as I guess they mean 'new' compared to the V12VR, as opposed to compared to the V12VS coupe
Right then, just need the cars to start arriving so I can find someone to sell my 'V12VSR' plate to !
mikey k said:
Not bad, shame they can't get some of the details right though
The engine has not been touched from the coupe version
ALL roadsters have the leather "buttresses"
No mention of the other cosmetic details
No mention it is just the coupe with no roof
Their review of the coupe contradicts this one as well
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/aston-martin/v...
Can't decide if that is Mako or Lightning?
Thats Mako for sure!The engine has not been touched from the coupe version
ALL roadsters have the leather "buttresses"
No mention of the other cosmetic details
No mention it is just the coupe with no roof
Their review of the coupe contradicts this one as well
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/aston-martin/v...
Can't decide if that is Mako or Lightning?
e that plate around somewhat! Last month it was on the China Grey V12VS Coupe that was in the press.AdamV12V said:
jonby said:
I honestly think in many ways it would be better if SS boxes had no auto (drive) option at all
For me, the problem is that since the old days when the choice was manual or auto, what at first were a few (often poor) flappy paddle boxes, we now have a much more definitive order. DSG boxes are in practice, much more akin to torque convertor autos and single clutch flappy paddle boxes much more akin to a manual box.
Totally agree - not having an auto mode on single clutch automated manuals would be a damn good idea! It is always a weak point for them and detracts from their strengths over the twin clutch autos to which people always compare them.For me, the problem is that since the old days when the choice was manual or auto, what at first were a few (often poor) flappy paddle boxes, we now have a much more definitive order. DSG boxes are in practice, much more akin to torque convertor autos and single clutch flappy paddle boxes much more akin to a manual box.
I never use it on mine!
Edited by mikey k on Wednesday 24th September 19:33
As someone who has driven the V12 Vantage S on both the road and the track, I can attest that anyone who says the gear shifts are "painfully slow" must have been driving the car in full automatic mode. There is no way you can think the shifts are slow otherwise. I will be the first to admit that I'm not a fan of the Sportshift gearbox, but slow it ain't.
Edited by KarlFranz on Wednesday 24th September 18:24
Perhaps if Aston Martin were to use a different term such as Paddle Less shift for the button they label as D it may help.
Most people see D and assume it means drive as in an automatic and then expect seamless shifts or maybe dont even fit a D button so the driver has to use the paddles or they will just hit the limiter. If they left in the software that changes down at minimum gear speeds then those who wanted to be lazy wouldn't have to worry about changing gear.
Wouldn't work I know but I think they have to get across that it is a manual without a clutch paddle not an auto.
Most people see D and assume it means drive as in an automatic and then expect seamless shifts or maybe dont even fit a D button so the driver has to use the paddles or they will just hit the limiter. If they left in the software that changes down at minimum gear speeds then those who wanted to be lazy wouldn't have to worry about changing gear.
Wouldn't work I know but I think they have to get across that it is a manual without a clutch paddle not an auto.
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