DB5 on eBay your spec £900k
DB5 on eBay your spec £900k
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Ballistic Banana

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14,706 posts

297 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Anyone Seen this, crazy money!


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Little Donkey

1,544 posts

171 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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And that's plus VAT! yikes

Jon39

14,943 posts

173 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Probably a question for AMOC, but with originality being so important in the classic market, why is a saloon being changed to a convertible?


LordBretSinclair

4,306 posts

207 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Jon39 said:
Probably a question for AMOC, but with originality being so important in the classic market, why is a saloon being changed to a convertible?
Non originality didn't seem to effect the price achieved for the DBS on For The Love of Cars.

DB4DM

1,155 posts

153 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Some non-originality is acceptable, even desirable. Chopping the roof off crosses the line IMO. Same goes for chopping a DB4 to make a DB4GT homage

RichB

56,393 posts

314 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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LordBretSinclair said:
Jon39 said:
Probably a question for AMOC, but with originality being so important in the classic market, why is a saloon being changed to a convertible?
Non originality didn't seem to effect the price achieved for the DBS on For The Love of Cars.
There was nothing much on the DBS that couldn't be put back to it's original state if someone desired an auto with SUs. Chopping up a DB5 is a bit different. Someone will end up with a chop-top DB5 that the club will know all about and it will not be worth as much as a genuine convertible, despite what those chaps up in Yorkshire will tell the potential new owner!

Zuman

188 posts

143 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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I'm not a maniacal purist, but I still have to ask at what point it's still a "real" 1964 Aston Martin. Is there any generally-accepted set of "rules?" Body and chassis? Or is the company simply selling a reconstruction based on a '64 DB5? In that case, I'd think you could build a better car for less money.

downr

3,807 posts

158 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Zuman said:
I'm not a maniacal purist, but I still have to ask at what point it's still a "real" 1964 Aston Martin. Is there any generally-accepted set of "rules?" Body and chassis? Or is the company simply selling a reconstruction based on a '64 DB5? In that case, I'd think you could build a better car for less money.
It's a really grey area. From an "investment" perspective, the ideal is for it to be "matching numbers"; original chassis, engine and ideally transmission. As soon as you start changing things like gearboxes or RHD to LHD the value diminishes (even if it can potentially be reversed and incidentally one reason why rarer original LHD cars are worth 10-15% more).

What Aston Workshop have been doing for a while though is building virtually brand new DB5s. I can see the advantage in that - adding new gearboxes, air-conditioning, a modern radio system makes them much more usable from a day-to-day perspective. But come resale, I would have thought all of those things will count against the car (and converting a saloon to a convertible is surely a step too far!)

And I'm sure we've all seen cars being recreated essentially from a chassis plate and little else. I've heard rumours of DB5 chassis plates being hawked around for £10k...

DB4DM

1,155 posts

153 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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If you've got title, but no physical car, then a new chassis plate is about £100

RichB

56,393 posts

314 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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I wondered if Zuman's question was; are Aston Workshop chopping a saloon or are they completely rebodying an otherwise rotten DB4 platform? I don't know but if I was in the market for a DB5 Convertible I wouldn't want something that's a bit of a mish-mash. Anyway in that instance I would go for a DB6 simply because I like the name "Volante" smile

DB4DM

1,155 posts

153 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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The Aston Workshop website is clear that they are chopping a DB5 saloon

Question, if you have an obvious 1960s Aston Martin in barnfind condition hence with no paperwork, and it has a DB5 chassis number stamped on the front cross member (where it should be) and a DB4 chassis number on the rear body (where it should also be), what other than a mess do you have?

That "car" was sold a year ago by Bonhams for over £90K...

RichB

56,393 posts

314 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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DB4DM said:
...if you have an obvious 1960s Aston Martin in barnfind condition hence with no paperwork, and it has a DB5 chassis number stamped on the front cross member (where it should be) and a DB4 chassis number on the rear body (where it should also be), what other than a mess do you have?
And is that what their car is David?

DB4DM

1,155 posts

153 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Rich, I certainly couldn't speculate in an open forum and that wasn't my intention but to pick up on Rob's point about "original" chassis

Their website is however ambiguous about whether the donor car is a DB5 or DB4 as both are referred to in different places in the puff



Edited by DB4DM on Saturday 25th April 20:48

Bebee

4,724 posts

255 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Well it has only done 10 miles.

DB4DM

1,155 posts

153 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Ah yes, "X"

Speedraser

1,712 posts

213 months

Monday 27th April 2015
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It doesn't just cross the line, IMO chopping the roof off of a DB5 is reprehensible. It used to be that chopped convertibles were worth more than coupes -- see various Ferraris -- but that is clearly changing. Rightfully so IMO. If the car was completely rotten such that the "restored" car is basically newly manufactured and they're not really destroying an original car, perhaps it's less of a crime, but IMO they should resurrect it as what it was in the first place. If they've cut an original car they've committed a crime against automotive history. DB5 saloons have sold for that price, and original Convertibles for significantly more (at least one has at auction).