Jaguar F-Type R or V8 Vantage GT.
Discussion
I was all ready to purchase a 2016 F-Type R, and was in the process of researching it and my optioms. I've wanted a Vantage for years, and came close to getting one back in 07, but the economy took a down turn, so it wasn't a wise choice. Just the other day I began to read about the GT (N430 in Europe).
Thr F-Type is a beautiful car, but I still believe the Aston is a timeless design one that will never look dated. And I can see the F-Types already starting to lose their got to have it feel. This is all my opinion of course.
I was wondering what others on here think?
My mind says get the Jag, it's new, it's fast, it's got a great (computer programmed) sound, especially the backfires as un burnt fuel is shot into the hot exhaust headers.
But my heart says get the Aston, it's such a beautiful car! It's the one to have in the garage and in the driveway. I believe it will hold its value better than the Jag, which I hear are dropping like rocks.
Thr F-Type is a beautiful car, but I still believe the Aston is a timeless design one that will never look dated. And I can see the F-Types already starting to lose their got to have it feel. This is all my opinion of course.
I was wondering what others on here think?
My mind says get the Jag, it's new, it's fast, it's got a great (computer programmed) sound, especially the backfires as un burnt fuel is shot into the hot exhaust headers.
But my heart says get the Aston, it's such a beautiful car! It's the one to have in the garage and in the driveway. I believe it will hold its value better than the Jag, which I hear are dropping like rocks.
V8 Vantage GT said:
I was all ready to purchase a 2016 F-Type R, and was in the process of researching it and my optioms. I've wanted a Vantage for years, and came close to getting one back in 07, but the economy took a down turn, so it wasn't a wise choice. Just the other day I began to read about the GT (N430 in Europe).
Thr F-Type is a beautiful car, but I still believe the Aston is a timeless design one that will never look dated. And I can see the F-Types already starting to lose their got to have it feel. This is all my opinion of course.
I was wondering what others on here think?
My mind says get the Jag, it's new, it's fast, it's got a great (computer programmed) sound, especially the backfires as un burnt fuel is shot into the hot exhaust headers.
But my heart says get the Aston, it's such a beautiful car! It's the one to have in the garage and in the driveway. I believe it will hold its value better than the Jag, which I hear are dropping like rocks.
Second hand Jags will always free fall in value, but then, Astons aren't much better. The question is where do they stop and at what age. I am a huge fan of the F, but when I spec one up for what I want and look at the bottom line, the thought that always goes through my head is "but I could get an Aston for that…"Thr F-Type is a beautiful car, but I still believe the Aston is a timeless design one that will never look dated. And I can see the F-Types already starting to lose their got to have it feel. This is all my opinion of course.
I was wondering what others on here think?
My mind says get the Jag, it's new, it's fast, it's got a great (computer programmed) sound, especially the backfires as un burnt fuel is shot into the hot exhaust headers.
But my heart says get the Aston, it's such a beautiful car! It's the one to have in the garage and in the driveway. I believe it will hold its value better than the Jag, which I hear are dropping like rocks.
I think a lot of Jag owners are trying to bridge the gap from the e-type to today, a period when they took a downhill turn and became the maker of large unreliable saloons. They even had a ford mondeo in a frock for a while (lets ignore the Cygnet and treat that as a joke). I think they like to see the brand in the same space as Bentley and Aston. But there is a mass market whiff about them. Its the top of a pyramid that has a cheapish saloon at the bottom. They have a 2 litre diesel in their parts bin whereas Aston start at 4.7 V8.
I went to look at a Jag and found 3 of their staff peering through the glass of my Aston in the car park. I can't see that happening the other way round. The Aston is a rare sight, one that people see as priceless. The sound makes people smile when a similar db from a Jag would make them think prat. The Jag is trying to hard to be something.
So it depends what you're looking for I guess. But if you want the best technical car you can get, then its neither, you should get a Cayman GTS or GT4. If you want the car with the most personality, get an Aston.
I went to look at a Jag and found 3 of their staff peering through the glass of my Aston in the car park. I can't see that happening the other way round. The Aston is a rare sight, one that people see as priceless. The sound makes people smile when a similar db from a Jag would make them think prat. The Jag is trying to hard to be something.
So it depends what you're looking for I guess. But if you want the best technical car you can get, then its neither, you should get a Cayman GTS or GT4. If you want the car with the most personality, get an Aston.
Edited by JonV8V on Friday 26th June 08:26
Unless you are a professional Top Trumps player with your mates down the pub, then follow your heart and get the one you love the look and feel of the most
All the 0-60, times around a race track etc are all irrelevant to most of us in daily use, both of them are "fast enough"
Jags have always offered more for less than Aston, are used bargains, and great cars, but still different to an Aston Martin...you can always get one later in life if you fancy a change
All the 0-60, times around a race track etc are all irrelevant to most of us in daily use, both of them are "fast enough"
Jags have always offered more for less than Aston, are used bargains, and great cars, but still different to an Aston Martin...you can always get one later in life if you fancy a change
I had a day driving f-types at millbrook, including the R. They're fantastic cars, very capable handling (the torque vectoring is amazing technology). Interior is a bit poor. Sound is great
But as I came away from the day, with a friend who's an ex racing driver, we both agreed that you wouldn't notice the benefit of some of the technology unless you were really going for it on a track (or millbrook).
....And it didn't cross my mind for a minute to swap the Aston for it.
But as I came away from the day, with a friend who's an ex racing driver, we both agreed that you wouldn't notice the benefit of some of the technology unless you were really going for it on a track (or millbrook).
....And it didn't cross my mind for a minute to swap the Aston for it.
downr said:
But as I came away from the day, with a friend who's an ex racing driver, we both agreed that you wouldn't notice the benefit of some of the technology unless you were really going for it on a track (or millbrook).
InterestingAny idea how their torque vectoring works?
Is it that you feel wouldn't provide a benefit on the road?
I had a Honda that "torque vectored" by brake steering and it worked well on the road
It is also one of the things that swayed me to the Mclaren rather than the 458.
My local dealer at one point shared the same showroom with Jaguar and Aston Martin.
I was eager to get a drive in the F-Type and popped in for a look.
There was no comparison. When seeing both manufacturers parked together, the Aston really has the wow factor.
From the depth of the gloss in the paint to the fit and finish of the interior.
I went in to have a look at the Jag but couldn't take my eyes of a Morning Frost V8 Vantage. It was stunning.
The Jag felt no better inside than my Z4.
mikey k said:
downr said:
But as I came away from the day, with a friend who's an ex racing driver, we both agreed that you wouldn't notice the benefit of some of the technology unless you were really going for it on a track (or millbrook).
InterestingAny idea how their torque vectoring works?
Is it that you feel wouldn't provide a benefit on the road?
I had a Honda that "torque vectored" by brake steering and it worked well on the road
It is also one of the things that swayed me to the Mclaren rather than the 458.
The Coupe R features the same ZF eight-speed automatic transmission as the S, but steps up with an electronic active differential and a torque vectoring system that utilizes bias braking to help balance power delivery across the rear axle. That last bit is unique to the Coupe R.
Went through the same process when I purchased my Vantage V8S
First of all they will both lose probably about the same amount of money (as in a lot) unless you purchase the very top of the range V8 F-Type with all the options which will tank even more.
I liked the looks of the F-Type, it was indeed quick and well equipped, it made a lot (too much) noise. Very shouty. When I got back from the test drive I had another look around it and decided the design was too shouty as well. Looked at all the grilles and vents and most are blanked, they do not do anything, it is just (over) styled. Everything on the much purer Aston is there for a reason and...
'Fashion Fades but Style Remains'
Finally, you will never be sat in the Aston in 6 months time thinking 'I could have got an F-Type'
Sat in the Jaguar in 6 months time would you be saying 'I could have got an Aston Martin'? Probably.
Oh and I am a big Jaguar fan have owned many (and still have a classic) and never particularly aspired to an Aston, I was looking at everything (closest to the Aston for me was a Maserati, the F-Type never really came close for lots of reasons). However there are very few bad cars nowadays so go with the one that talks to you and touches your soul.
First of all they will both lose probably about the same amount of money (as in a lot) unless you purchase the very top of the range V8 F-Type with all the options which will tank even more.
I liked the looks of the F-Type, it was indeed quick and well equipped, it made a lot (too much) noise. Very shouty. When I got back from the test drive I had another look around it and decided the design was too shouty as well. Looked at all the grilles and vents and most are blanked, they do not do anything, it is just (over) styled. Everything on the much purer Aston is there for a reason and...
'Fashion Fades but Style Remains'
Finally, you will never be sat in the Aston in 6 months time thinking 'I could have got an F-Type'
Sat in the Jaguar in 6 months time would you be saying 'I could have got an Aston Martin'? Probably.
Oh and I am a big Jaguar fan have owned many (and still have a classic) and never particularly aspired to an Aston, I was looking at everything (closest to the Aston for me was a Maserati, the F-Type never really came close for lots of reasons). However there are very few bad cars nowadays so go with the one that talks to you and touches your soul.
mikey k said:
downr said:
But as I came away from the day, with a friend who's an ex racing driver, we both agreed that you wouldn't notice the benefit of some of the technology unless you were really going for it on a track (or millbrook).
InterestingAny idea how their torque vectoring works?
Is it that you feel wouldn't provide a benefit on the road?
I had a Honda that "torque vectored" by brake steering and it worked well on the road
It is also one of the things that swayed me to the Mclaren rather than the 458.
But the issue both I and my friend had, was that it was a somewhat artificial scenario. You wouldn't in day-to-day use push a car into that tight a turn at that speed (unless you wanted to show off the technology). Nor did I sense it making a meaningful difference on the Alpine course at Millbrook (remember we were driving back to back F-Types, most without the torque vectoring).
Of course its horses for courses; I don't drive cars on the road at ten tenths. I save that for the track. But others here may do so and maybe the F-type R would suit them more. But my problem with the F-Type R, is that it's not got the 'presence' on the road to feel truly special when only being driven at 80-90%. And yet its not an exceptional track car either.
Maybe I'm over-interpreting, but the drivers Jaguar use (most of whom seemed to have raced against my friend back in the day) also do the courses for AM at Millbrook. And when I mentioned what I normally drive they seemed to get more animated...
Edited by downr on Friday 26th June 14:17
mikey k said:
The Coupe R features the same ZF eight-speed automatic transmission as the S, but steps up with an electronic active differential and a torque vectoring system that utilizes bias braking to help balance power delivery across the rear axle. That last bit is unique to the Coupe R.
Que?Who the duck writes indecipherable merdre like that? Would I want to go for a beer with them or tell them to va foutre?
Except you of course Mikey
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