2016 ASTON MARTIN V12'S
Discussion
We have previously tried to guess this matter, so you should find some previous posts. Search with a 'search engine', not the Pistonheads Search.
The consensus guesswork is probably / possibly;
DB9 Mk2 (perhaps called DB11)
Announcement Geneva March 2016, deliveries begin September 2016 (ie. Model Year 2017).
Existing V12 turbocharged, presumably smaller capacity.
AMG engines maybe option, or later.
There are some videos about of testing at Nurburgring.
Vantage Mk 2
(Model Year 2018)
We think AMG 4 litre V8 twin turbo.
These dates are based on a USA exemption appeal, last year I think.
There are indeed a few other posts. I had a bit of a twitter conversation with Andy Palmer after he made a commit to V12's and Manual Gearboxes...however, and critically, not together. So my guess is that we'll see a V12 (maybe with or without turbo's), and some manual V8's by AMG, but I wonder if we'll ever see another naturally aspirated V12 manual.
Chris.
Chris.
woodsypedia said:
.. and some manual V8's by AMG, ...
Do Mercedes-Benz still use manual gearboxes?
Some years ago they did manuals, which also had their crazy foot operated handbrake. Hill starts were a great laugh, as you used your right foot for the accelerator, left foot carefully feeling for the clutch bite point, and supposedly your third foot to be ready for the foot/handbrake. You could release the foot/handbrake with your hand, but if you needed to quickly re-apply it, then you were in trouble.
Jon39 said:
woodsypedia said:
.. and some manual V8's by AMG, ...
Do Mercedes-Benz still use manual gearboxes?
Some years ago they did manuals, which also had their crazy foot operated handbrake. Hill starts were a great laugh, as you used your right foot for the accelerator, left foot carefully feeling for the clutch bite point, and supposedly your third foot to be ready for the foot/handbrake. You could release the foot/handbrake with your hand, but if you needed to quickly re-apply it, then you were in trouble.
Palmer was talking about reverse engineering and such like and was talking about the fact that in theory, there was no reason a DSG box (which is what's used with most of the AMG engines) couldn't be taken apart and have a manual version created. He also claimed manual gearboxes weren't over at Aston. Some have put two and two together to suggest Aston will therefore offer a manual box with the AMG engine - I'll eat my hat if it happens (although yes, there are a few mercs available with a manual box, but not with the engines that have the type of power any Aston will have)
Thinking again about this, presumably the front mid-engine with rear gearbox will continue, so AML could use any gearbox. It would not have to mate to a Mercedes-Benz engine, because the torque tube and propshaft make the connection.
I recall it beng said that the present manual box, can take much more power than it is required to do so now.
JohnG1 said:
Could you share the source of this information please? Really interested to hear that AML would re-engineer the crank and/or block (or thick liners) to reduce capacity...
Not sure they would reduce the stroke, but increasing the liner thickness would add strength to the block as well as giving more area for the headgasket to bite on, although an o-ringed liner would probably be used. As soon as it's boosted, power will not be the problem, strength will. When building drag race forced induction engines, I used to use a "big block" capable of big capacity but sleeve it down for strength, just as I have described above.Ferrari run a successful business with 458 and its superb box.
Amg gear will be at least on par and no one will want anything else.
Aston's with amg engines won't have manual gearbox. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Porsche did not offer manual option on 991 and they are right. Makes little sense. Despite forum chatter, very few people would actually order them is they were available.
Amg gear will be at least on par and no one will want anything else.
Aston's with amg engines won't have manual gearbox. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Porsche did not offer manual option on 991 and they are right. Makes little sense. Despite forum chatter, very few people would actually order them is they were available.
erics said:
Ferrari run a successful business with 458 and its superb box.
Amg gear will be at least on par and no one will want anything else.
Aston's with amg engines won't have manual gearbox. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Porsche did not offer manual option on 991 and they are right. Makes little sense. Despite forum chatter, very few people would actually order them is they were available.
Disagree re: 991 Amg gear will be at least on par and no one will want anything else.
Aston's with amg engines won't have manual gearbox. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Porsche did not offer manual option on 991 and they are right. Makes little sense. Despite forum chatter, very few people would actually order them is they were available.
Porsche do offer a manual option on 991 and following the outcry over no option on 991 GT3/GT3RS, they launched Cayman GT4 and the Spyder (almost but not quite a drop top GT4), both of which are manual only.
All the evidence suggests they may offer a manual option on a 991 GT car going forward, rumoured to be by doing a no frills version of 991 GT3, with much of the weight saving, possibly not quite as much power, skinnier tyres & a manual only box
Demand is there (though not from the majority) - it's primarily manufacturers that don't want to make manuals, not the lack of buyers although that will change I'm sure in 20 years when the current 'digital kids' become car buyers. Even then, am sure there will be demand from some, rather like vinyl now which still refuses to die
Having said all that, I do agree it's highly unlikely that the AML AMG engined cars will be offered with a manual box, because unless the cars & their engines are engineered from the start with that in mind (which AMG cars are not), it's never likely to work as well. So my rant above is rendered irrelevant.....
SFO said:
there has never been a manual transmission AMG
Really? Not that it's the font of all knowledge, but wikipedia disagrees!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-AMG
"A Getrag five-speed manual transmission could be ordered from AMG, and Mercedes had not offered a manual transmission V8 since the early 1970s."
1) Assuming the next Astons continue to have transaxles, I see no reason other than cost/laziness that they couldn't be offered with a manual 'box, with either the V8 or the V12.
2) If the AMG engines are merely off-the-shelf AMG units that are just electronically changed from the same engine used in Benzes, I'll have ZERO interest in these so-called "Astons." Hoping that's not the case...
2) If the AMG engines are merely off-the-shelf AMG units that are just electronically changed from the same engine used in Benzes, I'll have ZERO interest in these so-called "Astons." Hoping that's not the case...
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