Change of tyres and a bit of an experiment
Change of tyres and a bit of an experiment
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GingerMunky

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1,285 posts

287 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Thought I would try some different tyres for my Vantage as an experiment:

Rear: Sailun 275/35R19 Atrezzo ZSR
Compared with Pirelli PZero & Michelin Super Sport they are rated identical, and are marginally quieter.

Front: Nankang 235/40R19 AS-1
Compared with Pirelli PZero & Dunlop Sport Maxx they are rated almost identical.

All 4 tyres purchased and fitted for £352! here at http://www.samko.co.uk/ Must say very nice people.

After fitting I took them for a spirited drive up to Brecon, on a mixture of tight turns and fast open curves, and I must say they are superb. Grip was fantastic, sharp turn in and very comfortable under heavy load both braking and acceleration.

I'll report back after 5,000 miles and see if they are still performing, but first impressions are very encouraging.

Has anyone else tested less well recognised and un-marketed brands?


Edited by GingerMunky on Tuesday 17th May 20:32

Jibberingloon

851 posts

230 months

Wednesday 18th May 2016
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Good luck!


I use to call Nankangs "Hedge Finders or Death Sliders........"

Terminator

2,421 posts

314 months

Wednesday 18th May 2016
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Hmmmmm......


burnout3

68 posts

253 months

Wednesday 18th May 2016
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Looking forward to hearing the 5,000 miles results

Herbs

5,132 posts

259 months

Wednesday 18th May 2016
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Any reason for different tyres on each axle?

mikey k

13,074 posts

246 months

Wednesday 18th May 2016
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Herbs said:
Any reason for different tyres on each axle?
yes
I'd be concerned

Murph7355

42,004 posts

286 months

Wednesday 18th May 2016
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Herbs said:
Any reason for different tyres on each axle?
Wangkang Lapsong Tschuschong probably don't do the right tyre for both axles smile

8Tech

2,212 posts

228 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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O dear, I dont think I would have fitted virtually unbranded tyres to an Aston Martin. The Nankangs would be acceptable on a cheap, slow runaround but the sailuns! Errr, no.

As the only actual part of your car that is in contact with the road, and therefore responsible for transmitting all that technology and performance from the car, I do hope that for you........thats remains the only parts of the car that ever make contact with the road.

Sump

5,512 posts

197 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Sailun and Nankang ? Wouldn't fit them on a Ford Mondeo let alone a Vantage.

Stupidest thing I've read in a while, it's even more stupid when you actually have the coin for branded tyres...

kensilver

312 posts

149 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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The PO of my DB9 had the original 2007 Bridgestones on the rear and a new set of Pirelli for Porsche on the front when I bought it. I had the same feelings of shock and horror as I read your post.

JaseB

926 posts

291 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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I have an OCD issue with mismatched tyres regardless of what the performance issues may be...

PeteGriff

1,262 posts

187 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Aaaah, Chinese tyres on a performance car, let alone an Aston!! I agree with the other posts, its your only contact with the road, always invest in premium correct 'rubber', of course unless its a Hyundai town runabout!

GingerMunky

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1,285 posts

287 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Herbs said:
Any reason for different tyres on each axle?
Sailun don't make the size required for the front frown otherwise would have had all four.

Interestingly reading the EU regulations for tyre testing (Regulation EC 1222/2009), the frictional is calculated in the wet for a given speed and then this dictates the rating; Annex 1 Part B has the coefficient / rating table. Therefore, all tyres of comparable Wet Grip rating apply the same force to the road.

GingerMunky

Original Poster:

1,285 posts

287 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Sump said:
Sailun and Nankang ? Wouldn't fit them on a Ford Mondeo let alone a Vantage.

Stupidest thing I've read in a while, it's even more stupid when you actually have the coin for branded tyres...
Then I'm in good company smile

roughrider

997 posts

216 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Could turn out to be a very expensive experiment in the event of an accident, and an insurance claim?? Tyres are the ultimate safety feature on your car, so using mickey mouse brands, and then mixing them front/rear, seems plain crazy to me!!

divetheworld

2,565 posts

165 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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It's not how they appear to grip now, it's how they let go later after they get warm and stressed.

GingerMunky

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1,285 posts

287 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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divetheworld said:
It's not how they appear to grip now, it's how they let go later after they get warm and stressed.
I agree, that's why I said it was an 'experiment', which most people posting seem to have ignored and jumped on the tyre snobbery bandwagon.

For 350 pounds the tyres are cheap enough to just bin them if it were rubbish. Turns out they have been excellent so far and no discernible different to the Dunlop Sport Max.

Perhaps what this thread needs is someone able to explain the difference in chemical compounds used in a Pirelli compared with a Sailun. Explaining which of the most commonly used elastomers "elastic polymers" are used and why; such as polyisoprene (natural rubber, isoprene rubber) / styrene-butadiene copolymer (styrene-butadiene rubber) / polybutadiene (butadiene rubber). And how these are combined with other compounds to improve the frictional force generated. Together with the construction method of the tread, body ply and walls, it would be fascinating insight between a premium and perceived budget.

Now that would be more intelligent and helpful than some of useless st posted above smile But hey this is pistonheads.



Edited by GingerMunky on Thursday 19th May 13:15

mikey k

13,074 posts

246 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Nothing wrong with it as an experiment
I'd still have gone for the same brand front and rear
They will wear differently and the grip levels with change as they do
So the balance of slip angles will change affecting the grip balance front to rear

Edited by mikey k on Thursday 19th May 18:39

ds2000

2,756 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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I'd say its probably the wrong time of year to put more budget tyres through their paces. I had some god awful Kuhmo's on my old track car, in the summer and on track they were brilliant, anything slightly cool / damp and they made the Corsa's look epic.

Good luck though, I'm not sure saving £400 is worth it. I got a full set of PSS for £824

RobDown

3,807 posts

158 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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GingerMunky said:
divetheworld said:
Perhaps what this thread needs is someone able to explain the difference in chemical compounds used in a Pirelli compared with a Sailun. Explaining which of the most commonly used elastomers "elastic polymers" are used and why; such as polyisoprene (natural rubber, isoprene rubber) / styrene-butadiene copolymer (styrene-butadiene rubber) / polybutadiene (butadiene rubber). And how these are combined with other compounds to improve the frictional force generated. Together with the construction method of the tread, body ply and walls, it would be fascinating insight between a premium and perceived budget.

Now that would be more intelligent and helpful than some of useless st posted above smile But hey this is pistonheads.



Edited by GingerMunky on Thursday 19th May 13:15
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