Vantage 4.3 v F Type

[macar]

£ 50k to spend,like the V4.3S but worried about reliability and running costs, depreciation looks to have bottomed out but will the F Type be considerably cheaper to run.

[petop]

4.3s??

I think you mean 4.7S. Which is more in line with you budget but without looking at prices i think you will need a few K more to hit a V8VS.

I assume depreciation just yet on the Vantage. Replacement is on its way and i would gauge once we see the DB11 on the streets in customers hands and see where DB9's go before assuming anything.

As for costs the Vantages are pretty low tech in todays world so possibly less to go wrong and the engine is near bullet proof. But do you want a Halfords reject with a farty noise???

[CheckSix]

A few topics on this already, but a few salient points:

If you are driving an Aston would you lust for the Jag? Or is it the other way around?

Do numbers on paper matter to you? Is it your enjoyment and feeling that matter or what others think?

I got the Aston GT after considering and driving the other finalists F430 and 570SL... I actually drove them all before deciding, back to back as well. The Jaguar wasn't even a shoe in!

I don't have anything to prove in an Aston.

After a year I'm looking for the next purchase and find it very hard to replace the manual Aston with anything that's currently not an Aston... As such I am considering a second 'weekend' car with more flare and ability but dare I say less class!

[notax]

The F Type is a better car by most quantifiable measures.

But only one of them is an Aston! I owned a 4.3 some years ago as my daily driver and loved it, the car does feel quite heavy compared to an F Type and especially in the 4.3 (less so in the newer 4.7) they need to be revved more than you would expect if you want to make decent progress. Apart from a few niggles, Vantages seem very reliable and I can't imagine them depreciating from here - in fact the values have risen slightly from the low point already.

[Jon39]

Total ownership costs will probably favour the Aston Martin.

Old Vantages cost about £30,000, whereas the same year Jaguar sports car, can be bought for £11,000.

When you test drive, try the pull out of side road. Other motorists seem to love Astons. They stop to let you out.

[michael gould]

nothing comes close to owning an Aston Martin ..........The Jag is a good looking car but you will always regret not buying the Aston .........it's a nice position to be in to be able to make the choice , good luck

[AstonExige]

I went through a similar dilemma. Had my 4.3 manual V8V for about 6months. Having come from a luxury fully loaded XF barge I was craving that lazy drive (have the Exige for the other end of the scale) Also just booked a driving trip over to europe with some friends and started to feel needed something quicker. I've always loved the look of the F-Types, had one for a weekend and always vowed I'd have one. A well specced, white F-Type R coupe came up for sale nearby, went to see it and was so close to pulling the trigger. They offered me a good p/x on the V8V too.





Managed to walk away to sleep on it. But didn't go back :/ Why? A number of factors:

• depreciation hit of the Jag. This one was £70k. 3yrs worth £40k at best? So would cost me £25k and my V8V £5k? Am would cost a bit more to run, but not that much.
• The jag was faster and had more toys, but it's not an Aston. AM's have that understated class that very few cars have. And I had my fast car, this was my comfortable cruiser.
• Was the Jag worth an extra £30k than my V8V?

This picture still has me doubting though......


Had I owned my AM for a few years I may have pulled the trigger. But for now I'm glad I stuck with my AM, it's down sides compared to my luxury barge are a distant memory and I'm enjoying it for what it is. To the point where rather than considering spending £70k on an F-Type at some point in the future, I'm thinking 4.7S Roadster Think I've been bitten by the AM bug.

[Herbs]

Went through similar a couple of months ago.

Had a 4.3 sportshift 4 years ago which I wasn't overly impressed with so narrowed it down to a Evora S or F Type..............................

Ended up with a N400 Roadster manual!

Drives much much better than my previous one, but was also a decision made with head as well as my heart - when you have an option that ticks both of those - you knows it's the one.

I love my cars but absolutely hate depreciation and the total cost of ownership. From what i would lose on the F type compared to an Aston it's simply a no brainer especially with everything else that comes with it.

I'll own the jag at some point but for me personally it's a Z4M rival rather than a Aston rival.

[peterr96]

I daily walk past a couple of F types that looked fresh when new. I'm already bored of it. It's got too much MX5 in it for my liking.
Equally I often pass Matrigiano's green Vantage and that looks great.

If at some stage you want a bit more go spend a little upgrading manifolds, cats, flywheel & clutch. I did at BR and the transformation is quite astonishing.
If you want additional crusiness also consider swtichable suspension at the time that the dampers need replacing. Why spend £3k on new AM units when you could add switchable for similar.

I'm sure some complete tossers will be along shortly to shoot me down.
Needless to say other indies are available!

[FFM]

petop said:

I assume depreciation just yet on the Vantage. Replacement is on its way and i would gauge once we see the DB11 on the streets in customers hands and see where DB9's go before assuming anything.

I think the launch of both the new Vantage and DB11 won't affect residuals on pre-2010 cars for few years.
The price gap between the new version and the old will be huge on both absolute- (starting at >£50k for the Vantages) and relative- basis. I assume this £ gap will continue to remain substantial for 2/3-years once the new models become official "available" to buy (consider the first year as an "unknown" in terms of availability, as we don't know yet the balance between supply/demand for the new models).

In addition, I would consider 2 additional factors that will still protect residuals of the current Vantage model:
a) Current Natural aspirated engine will always sound better than the new AMG Turbos. And this is not necessarily a tiny detail that only few pistonheads appreciate. Sound is also an important factor for people when spending significant money on a sports car.
b) List price of the new Vantages will be likely higher in nominal terms than the current model..i.e. wider £ gap between old and new car


btw, I would look at the impact of the recently launched V12SManual to original V12 Vantages for a hint of what is/is going to happen

Edited by FFM on Thursday 9th June 12:24

[Murph7355]

FFM said:

...as we don't know yet the balance between supply/demand for the new models...

I really hope Aston get this right this time. They didn't with the V8V in its early years.

Ref the Jag - an F-type R will constitute a lot of car for 20k in a few years' time. Might give one a go then as they sound great and look a lot of fun to drive...but wouldn't be as a replacement for a high end car (assuming my kids don't have me on the breadline by then!).

[V8 Vantage GT]

I don't know how long you plan on keeping the car, but the Aston will always keep more value than the Jaguar. Jaguars even F-Types don't hold their value, even though they are great cars. Astons start to level off in value, Jaguars continue to drop to basically -0-.