Watched the latest Top Gear...
Watched the latest Top Gear...
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12pack

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1,695 posts

199 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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As a V12V owner, thought I had all the car I ever wanted. Now I'm feeling verry poor.


Bincenzo

2,606 posts

210 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Really good piece I thought. Also Extra Gear had a good effort at the V12VS Manual.

wokkadriver

695 posts

273 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Apart from Harris perpetuating the Clarkson-formed myth that the engines are "two mondeo V6s welded together…"

What utter claptrap - I thought better of him than that.

AdamV12V

5,314 posts

208 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Bincenzo said:
Really good piece I thought. Also Extra Gear had a good effort at the V12VS Manual.
Ooo

Oooo wow, hadn't spotted that, thanks! It's the V12VS Manual too, nice!

Watching it now...

AdamV12V

5,314 posts

208 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Nice - I think Chris Harris rather liked it! biggrinthumbup

Anybody know how to download/extract a video off iPlayer? I wouldn't mind keeping a copy of that and it looks like its going to be deleted in 29days even using the BBC iPlayer download tool.

Bincenzo

2,606 posts

210 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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AdamV12V said:
Nice - I think Chris Harris rather liked it! biggrinthumbup

Anybody know how to download/extract a video off iPlayer? I wouldn't mind keeping a copy of that and it looks like its going to be deleted in 29days even using the BBC iPlayer download tool.
Not sure Adam, but CH will be doing a lot on TopGear.com so hopefully it'll be on YouTube soon?

V12VMan

365 posts

214 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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If it's the extra gear episode you want to keep, if you if have Sky you can always download it and keep it.

BravoV8V

1,858 posts

205 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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wokkadriver said:
Apart from Harris perpetuating the Clarkson-formed myth that the engines are "two mondeo V6s welded together…"

What utter claptrap - I thought better of him than that.
It's not a 'Clarkson-formed myth', I'm afraid.

James B

1,382 posts

275 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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BravoV8V said:
wokkadriver said:
Apart from Harris perpetuating the Clarkson-formed myth that the engines are "two mondeo V6s welded together…"

What utter claptrap - I thought better of him than that.
It's not a 'Clarkson-formed myth', I'm afraid.
That's not what the designers of the proper wink Vanquish at the Vanquish meet at Works Service said when they were asked. Infact they laughed heartily. Don't worry though another 75 odd Vanquish owners were there with me so we can continue to dispel that myth.

Edited by James B on Monday 20th June 23:03

Jack Blag

941 posts

244 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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A very close friend of mine is a Dyno operator who ran the Vanquish engines many years ago. He told me that it was essentially two Ford V6 engines. I'm more inclined to believe an engineer I've known for 16 years. I don't think that the AM designers would want to upset their customers by admitting that their very expensive engines were from a pair of Mondeos. I'm sure everyone has their own opinion on the topic.

divetheworld

2,565 posts

166 months

Tuesday 21st June 2016
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Chestnut = Old.

The 6.0 L V12 was sometimes erroneously referred to as b"essentially two 3.0 L V6 units bolted together". In reality, the engine is custom-built for Aston Martin by Cosworth Technology (both Aston Martin and Cosworth were owned by Ford) and while it uses some standard Duratec components, it is Cosworth's own design.

wokkadriver

695 posts

273 months

Tuesday 21st June 2016
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BravoV8V said:
wokkadriver said:
Apart from Harris perpetuating the Clarkson-formed myth that the engines are "two mondeo V6s welded together…"

What utter claptrap - I thought better of him than that.
It's not a 'Clarkson-formed myth', I'm afraid.
As far as I remember he said it first in one of his glib reviews…

The engine was originally put in Ford's concept Indigo. Sure, the pistons, rings and valves came from the duratec parts bin, but the block, heads and everything else were built by Cosworth.

roughrider

998 posts

217 months

Tuesday 21st June 2016
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I'm sure Mike will have another angle, but the V12 was designed by Cosworth engineering for Aston Martin, it used two Visteon [Ford] 6 cylinder ECU's, that might have originated from a Mondeo. It is a one piece cast engine block, with two full length cylinder heads for each bank, so how on earth does Clarkson come up with that comment?
As regards Vulcan, its an evolution of the one-77 engine, which is an evolution of the Cosworth designed V12 fitted to DB7 Vantage onwards.

andy_mc

168 posts

182 months

Tuesday 21st June 2016
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Just watched this episode and WOW. That Vulcan is a monster. Cannot wait to hear it in real life. Is it making an appearance at Goodwood FoS ?

Ken Figenus

6,011 posts

148 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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roughrider said:
It is a one piece cast engine block, with two full length cylinder heads for each bank.


Maybe - or is it just that you cant see the gaffer tape and spot welds between cylinders 3 and 4 & cylinders 9 and 10?

In fact, please never let me hear this again - the con rods being from a Ford Ka 1.0 Ghia with eylashes I can live with!

On Top Gear I have no idea why they led with such a weak first show - this one was SO much better.

wokkadriver

695 posts

273 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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roughrider said:
so how on earth does Clarkson come up with that comment?
Because he's a bit of a buffoon with a penchant for hyperbole?

RobDown

3,807 posts

159 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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They're definitely pushing Evans into the background (a good thing). The "live" shows are being more and more fronted by Matt Le Blanc


Ken Figenus

6,011 posts

148 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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RobDown said:
They're definitely pushing Evans into the background (a good thing). The "live" shows are being more and more fronted by Matt Le Blanc
Agree Rob - his chilled style works so much better than exaggerated excitement and shouting 'EVERYBODY' in place of every full stop!

JGWill

8 posts

128 months

Saturday 25th June 2016
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How come the Vulcan was slower around the track than the 675LT and a couple of other cars do you think? It looked slightly damp at the start of the lap, could it be simply down to that?

12pack

Original Poster:

1,695 posts

199 months

Saturday 25th June 2016
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Probably just not enough room on the tight 1.8 mile TG track for the big race car to really run and use its power and downforce.