Astons all look the same.
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But not as much as pork. Until I saw this, I didn't realise how right Clarkson is.
https://youtu.be/Pz8IGLgFE2s
https://youtu.be/Pz8IGLgFE2s
divetheworld said:
But not as much as pork. Until I saw this, I didn't realise how right Clarkson is.
https://youtu.be/Pz8IGLgFE2s
I'm the last one to defend Pork but it is just one basic model - the 911. So, it's supposed to show its heritage.https://youtu.be/Pz8IGLgFE2s
The rub with Gaydon Astons has been that they purport to be different (new) models but still look alike..
12pack said:
I'm the last one to defend Pork but it is just one basic model - the 911. So, it's supposed to show its heritage.
The rub with Gaydon Astons has been that they purport to be different (new) models but still look alike..
So Cayman, Boxster,Panamera are all new models compared to the 911 and I can't tell them apart when they are coming towards me, only reason the Macan and Cayenne are obviously different is because they are taller.The rub with Gaydon Astons has been that they purport to be different (new) models but still look alike..
Modern design, passenger safety and economy from using one platform for multiple vehicles is making most models within brands very similar.
Just my opinion, but I don't really blame Porsche or Aston for sticking with a winning formula; why be radical just for the sake of it?
After all, the 911 is an iconic shape, everyone from children upwards recognises it as a sports car. I'd never buy one (they're ubiquitous here and to my mind show a lack of imagination from the buyer) but I can see the logic.
Likewise the core Aston design is beautiful, its been said before but if the Vantage didn't exist and AML suddenly announced it in Geneva we'd all be saying "wow!".
It seems to me that what most people want from new car designs is something more "intricate" - they want the designer to show-off, to add details. To move away from the purity of perhaps earlier designs. But generally (again just my opinion) that makes the cars less attractive, the design loses its original emotive power. Some examples: the DB11 vs the DB9, I still can't get used to it (albeit I love the clamshell bonnet). Any modern Ferrari - just compare a 458 with a 250/275/Dino.
And, don't get me started on McLaren (the emperor has no clothes on!) - the front of every single one of which has been hit by an ugly stick of over-design (mental exercise: try and draw the front of a McLaren on a piece of paper with a pencil, bet you can't remember all the swoopy lines and curlicues)
I'm sure there are numerous other examples out there.
I think what I'm trying to say is that I hope Aston Martin aren't too radical with the new Vantage, it should be evolution not revolution
After all, the 911 is an iconic shape, everyone from children upwards recognises it as a sports car. I'd never buy one (they're ubiquitous here and to my mind show a lack of imagination from the buyer) but I can see the logic.
Likewise the core Aston design is beautiful, its been said before but if the Vantage didn't exist and AML suddenly announced it in Geneva we'd all be saying "wow!".
It seems to me that what most people want from new car designs is something more "intricate" - they want the designer to show-off, to add details. To move away from the purity of perhaps earlier designs. But generally (again just my opinion) that makes the cars less attractive, the design loses its original emotive power. Some examples: the DB11 vs the DB9, I still can't get used to it (albeit I love the clamshell bonnet). Any modern Ferrari - just compare a 458 with a 250/275/Dino.
And, don't get me started on McLaren (the emperor has no clothes on!) - the front of every single one of which has been hit by an ugly stick of over-design (mental exercise: try and draw the front of a McLaren on a piece of paper with a pencil, bet you can't remember all the swoopy lines and curlicues)
I'm sure there are numerous other examples out there.
I think what I'm trying to say is that I hope Aston Martin aren't too radical with the new Vantage, it should be evolution not revolution
Ulrich Bez was behind quite a bit of Porsche's more recent business success...then he went to Aston and used/replicated what he'd learnt...
Once you have an icon, or at the very least a shape/image that is/was widely recognised as damn near perfect...you'd be foolish to mess with it....ltd editions, GT models...churn the buggers out, keep the model releases regular, keep your cars in the public eye.
up and/or down scaling to suit different sectors is not always successful...the risk these days of creating different looks under the same badge goes against every modern marketing mantra.
So Rapide literally stretches the point, whereas Vantage, DB9, DBS all work superbly
Cayenne was a lesson to the entire industry how not to do it (a sales hit whilst being pig ugly was a handy bit of 'luck' though), but current Box/Cay/Mac even the new Pan all work in their own right but can't be confused with any other marque.
The driver of a Boxster will appreciate this at £50k probably more than the driver of GT3RS at £150k... I don't think I'd care tbh... if you want a car to shout "look I'm better and richer than you" you'd not be buying a Porsche or Aston anyway...would you?
Once you have an icon, or at the very least a shape/image that is/was widely recognised as damn near perfect...you'd be foolish to mess with it....ltd editions, GT models...churn the buggers out, keep the model releases regular, keep your cars in the public eye.
up and/or down scaling to suit different sectors is not always successful...the risk these days of creating different looks under the same badge goes against every modern marketing mantra.
So Rapide literally stretches the point, whereas Vantage, DB9, DBS all work superbly
Cayenne was a lesson to the entire industry how not to do it (a sales hit whilst being pig ugly was a handy bit of 'luck' though), but current Box/Cay/Mac even the new Pan all work in their own right but can't be confused with any other marque.
The driver of a Boxster will appreciate this at £50k probably more than the driver of GT3RS at £150k... I don't think I'd care tbh... if you want a car to shout "look I'm better and richer than you" you'd not be buying a Porsche or Aston anyway...would you?
RobDown said:
Just my opinion, but I don't really blame Porsche or Aston for sticking with a winning formula; why be radical just for the sake of it?
After all, the 911 is an iconic shape, everyone from children upwards recognises it as a sports car. I'd never buy one (they're ubiquitous here and to my mind show a lack of imagination from the buyer) but I can see the logic.
Likewise the core Aston design is beautiful, its been said before but if the Vantage didn't exist and AML suddenly announced it in Geneva we'd all be saying "wow!".
It seems to me that what most people want from new car designs is something more "intricate" - they want the designer to show-off, to add details. To move away from the purity of perhaps earlier designs. But generally (again just my opinion) that makes the cars less attractive, the design loses its original emotive power. Some examples: the DB11 vs the DB9, I still can't get used to it (albeit I love the clamshell bonnet). Any modern Ferrari - just compare a 458 with a 250/275/Dino.
And, don't get me started on McLaren (the emperor has no clothes on!) - the front of every single one of which has been hit by an ugly stick of over-design (mental exercise: try and draw the front of a McLaren on a piece of paper with a pencil, bet you can't remember all the swoopy lines and curlicues)
I'm sure there are numerous other examples out there.
I think what I'm trying to say is that I hope Aston Martin aren't too radical with the new Vantage, it should be evolution not revolution
I agree. It's always been my experience that those who say Aston's all look the same, that Aston's need to change. Don't have one!After all, the 911 is an iconic shape, everyone from children upwards recognises it as a sports car. I'd never buy one (they're ubiquitous here and to my mind show a lack of imagination from the buyer) but I can see the logic.
Likewise the core Aston design is beautiful, its been said before but if the Vantage didn't exist and AML suddenly announced it in Geneva we'd all be saying "wow!".
It seems to me that what most people want from new car designs is something more "intricate" - they want the designer to show-off, to add details. To move away from the purity of perhaps earlier designs. But generally (again just my opinion) that makes the cars less attractive, the design loses its original emotive power. Some examples: the DB11 vs the DB9, I still can't get used to it (albeit I love the clamshell bonnet). Any modern Ferrari - just compare a 458 with a 250/275/Dino.
And, don't get me started on McLaren (the emperor has no clothes on!) - the front of every single one of which has been hit by an ugly stick of over-design (mental exercise: try and draw the front of a McLaren on a piece of paper with a pencil, bet you can't remember all the swoopy lines and curlicues)
I'm sure there are numerous other examples out there.
I think what I'm trying to say is that I hope Aston Martin aren't too radical with the new Vantage, it should be evolution not revolution
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