AMRB001 engine - wow
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I see that more news of the 001 has come out - the engine will be a Cosworth developed 6.5 litre naturally aspirated V12 with 950-1000bhp, revving to over 10,000rpm.
Holy f
k!
I dare say that is going to be one of the most epic road car* engines in a long time.
And the Merc rival is going to be a 4cyl turbo?
*not really a road car, but not track only at least
Holy f
k!I dare say that is going to be one of the most epic road car* engines in a long time.
And the Merc rival is going to be a 4cyl turbo?
*not really a road car, but not track only at least
hornbaek said:
Lets hope that they can combine it with a gearbox that plays in the same league - otherwise it is pretty much deja vue.
7 speed gearbox produced by Ricardo (builders of McLaren sports car engines).
Even though I enjoy manuals, this car would certainly need a paddle shift.
hornbaek said:
Lets hope that they can combine it with a gearbox that plays in the same league - otherwise it is pretty much deja vue.
I presume you are referring to 1-77, GT12 etc. but I've never heard any complaints about the gearbox in the Vulcan. Exactly what is in the Vulcan and who is it manufactured by?LOL, Cosworth do it again eh. Lets hope its as great as the DB7 Vantage engine albeit I'm sure it will be lots better. Just proves they are progressing well again in the engine department.
Had quite a few Cosworths in the past and all were bullet proof engine wise.
Had quite a few Cosworths in the past and all were bullet proof engine wise.
PurpleAki said:
Pfft... It's nothing more than 2 Ford V6's welded together.
HBradley said:
Yes, yes that's all relevant & fascinating, but............ what are they going to call it?!!! Something beginning with V obviously, but..... Answers on a postcard please..... 
It will obviously be a very fast car and you want a V, so how does this sound?
Aston Martin Vamoosh.
Being serious, Dr.P has stated that the lighter track version, should be able to keep up with a formula one car around Silverstone. That claim is quite something and if achieved will be remarkable, because even the Le Mans prototype cars have noticeably slower lap times than F1.
Jon39 said:
Being serious, Dr.P has stated that the lighter track version, should be able to keep up with a formula one car around Silverstone. That claim is quite something and if achieved will be remarkable, because even the Le Mans prototype cars have noticeably slower lap times than F1.
Here's a 'car' that they've designed the bodywork or but as yet none of the mechanical / engineering bits. We now know a tiny bit about the engine but they've not designed a gearbox yet. Yes, yes I know Ricardo are doing that bit they have history of designing gearboxes for similar types of cars. Press release says they will use 'innovative solutions' for the design. Well it will have to be innovative as they now have to design it to fit within the bodywork already shown. The reason cars, especially coupe's are all beginning to look as if they have a similar silhouettte (F-type - Vantage etc) is car designers have to do the the mechanicals first, all the safety features, then and only then design the bodywork around it. Ian Callum was on a tv programme (may have been an early Top Gear) discussing it.
But AM and RB are trying to do it the other way around whilst claiming it will be as fast as a Le Mans Prototype / F1 car.
If you look at Bugatti its got 10 radiators, including ones for the gearbox. Where are they going to put the cooling in this body? Oh, and its hybrid as well.
Sorry to say I'm calling bulls
t on this, its got XJ220 disappointment written all over it.Yeah I know, I'm negative - it will be fantastic - it's got Aidrian Newey designing it blah blah
Neil1300r said:
Here's a 'car' that they've designed the bodywork or but as yet none of the mechanical / engineering bits. We now know a tiny bit about the engine but they've not designed a gearbox yet. Yes, yes I know Ricardo are doing that bit they have history of designing gearboxes for similar types of cars. Press release says they will use 'innovative solutions' for the design. Well it will have to be innovative as they now have to design it to fit within the bodywork already shown. The reason cars, especially coupe's are all beginning to look as if they have a similar silhouettte (F-type - Vantage etc) is car designers have to do the the mechanicals first, all the safety features, then and only then design the bodywork around it. Ian Callum was on a tv programme (may have been an early Top Gear) discussing it.
But AM and RB are trying to do it the other way around whilst claiming it will be as fast as a Le Mans Prototype / F1 car.
If you look at Bugatti its got 10 radiators, including ones for the gearbox. Where are they going to put the cooling in this body? Oh, and its hybrid as well.
Sorry to say I'm calling bulls
t on this, its got XJ220 disappointment written all over it.Yeah I know, I'm negative - it will be fantastic - it's got Aidrian Newey designing it blah blah
Neil1300r said:
Here's a 'car' that they've designed the bodywork or but as yet none of the mechanical / engineering bits. We now know a tiny bit about the engine but they've not designed a gearbox yet. Yes, yes I know Ricardo are doing that bit they have history of designing gearboxes for similar types of cars. Press release says they will use 'innovative solutions' for the design. Well it will have to be innovative as they now have to design it to fit within the bodywork already shown. The reason cars, especially coupe's are all beginning to look as if they have a similar silhouettte (F-type - Vantage etc) is car designers have to do the the mechanicals first, all the safety features, then and only then design the bodywork around it. Ian Callum was on a tv programme (may have been an early Top Gear) discussing it.
But AM and RB are trying to do it the other way around whilst claiming it will be as fast as a Le Mans Prototype / F1 car.
If you look at Bugatti its got 10 radiators, including ones for the gearbox. Where are they going to put the cooling in this body? Oh, and its hybrid as well.
Sorry to say I'm calling bulls
t on this, its got XJ220 disappointment written all over it.Yeah I know, I'm negative - it will be fantastic - it's got Aidrian Newey designing it blah blah
At Spa, the F1 lap record is 1:47.
The amazingly quick LMP cars lap at about 1:58.
Vantage GTE (V8) about 2:18.
Vantage GT3 (V12) about 2:19
If the track version AM-RB 001 ("...should keep up with an F1 car at Silverstone") can get near 1:50, it will be a truly remarkable car.
Of course each second gained, becomes progressively more difficult.
Your comments Neil, about somehow squeezing in all the mechanicals, made me think about the F1 comment,
'You can only start the engine, if you have 20 people with 10 laptops'.
Perhaps each owner will need employees, travelling in other vehicles,
each time the AM-RB 001 is taken for a drive to the pub on Sundays.
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 16th February 14:46
I find the various claims on what it will/won't be faster than, without clarity as to whether they are talking about the road or the track version and if the road version, whether it with road legal tyres, to be incredibly unhelpful and somewhat amateurish. It also smacks of pulling figures out of thin air. That's not to say it won't be incredibly fast or a game changer, but actually IMO they would be better off saying very little beforehand - imagine the headlines if the car is just 90% as quick as they say it will be, but didn't have all the hype beforehand - the impact would be far more significant
However Adrian Newey will not allow the car to be put into production if he isn't happy with it - this is effectively his legacy product
Also, if RB001 isn't a leap ahead of the so called holy trinity, I suspect the negative repercussions would take a long time to recover from. AML cannot afford for this to be a ONE 77 type car - this needs to be more than competitive, it needs to be definitive. I can't believe the factory aren't aware of this and so whatever it takes, they will need to deliver.
It's also worth bearing in mind that the halo effect of this car will be huge. It will surely spawn a more affordable mid engined Aston, in say the 200-350k range. I.e somewhere between 488/720S and Aventador/F12 (now the 812 superfast). The factory would be daft not to capitalize. The trickle down effect to the likes of the new vantage will also be great. But to do all that, RB001 has to deliver. Again, I can't see how they can afford not to make that happen
However Adrian Newey will not allow the car to be put into production if he isn't happy with it - this is effectively his legacy product
Also, if RB001 isn't a leap ahead of the so called holy trinity, I suspect the negative repercussions would take a long time to recover from. AML cannot afford for this to be a ONE 77 type car - this needs to be more than competitive, it needs to be definitive. I can't believe the factory aren't aware of this and so whatever it takes, they will need to deliver.
It's also worth bearing in mind that the halo effect of this car will be huge. It will surely spawn a more affordable mid engined Aston, in say the 200-350k range. I.e somewhere between 488/720S and Aventador/F12 (now the 812 superfast). The factory would be daft not to capitalize. The trickle down effect to the likes of the new vantage will also be great. But to do all that, RB001 has to deliver. Again, I can't see how they can afford not to make that happen
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