V12S Swan Song
Discussion
Only on this forum - its been mentioned in the Geneva and AMR threads I think. I checked with my dealer after reading it, and they had heard nothing.
I guess it all largely depends on the cost and spec, and is it going to be an AML or AMR model? If an AMR then its likely to have aero and must surely step on the toes of the GT12 a little, but it could just be a AML V12VS with the Performance Pack rolled in, but if that's the case that will mean its SSIII only I believe - unless they have resolved that constraint now?
Who knows, will be interesting for sure...
I guess it all largely depends on the cost and spec, and is it going to be an AML or AMR model? If an AMR then its likely to have aero and must surely step on the toes of the GT12 a little, but it could just be a AML V12VS with the Performance Pack rolled in, but if that's the case that will mean its SSIII only I believe - unless they have resolved that constraint now?
Who knows, will be interesting for sure...
Flugplatz said:
ajr550 said:
My money is on a V12S AMR.
Big question is will be available with a manual box ?
I would love to know the exact split on new car sales between the SSIII and manual cars since the manual became available. My gut is its not any where near what Aston, or we, expected.Big question is will be available with a manual box ?
It's also hard to interpret figures IMO given that V12VS is a model at the end of it's life, about to be replaced, still using relatively analogue/old tech - it stands to reason in those circumstances that demand for manual remains strong. It will be far more telling to see what the split is when new Vantage launches - I'd be surprised at more than 20% being manual, but who knows
jonby said:
I asked the question (I assume you mean on V12VS ?) the last time I was at the factory which as November and I seem to recall being told manual orders were outstripping SSIII, however there was a (reasonable IMO) assumption that was partly influenced by the fact manual was a new option on V12VS
It's also hard to interpret figures IMO given that V12VS is a model at the end of it's life, about to be replaced, still using relatively analogue/old tech - it stands to reason in those circumstances that demand for manual remains strong. It will be far more telling to see what the split is when new Vantage launches - I'd be surprised at more than 20% being manual, but who knows
Porsche have said that they have estimated the split of the new 991.2 GT3 will be 60:40 in favour of PDK:Manual, but again that's a car that is perhaps more likely to appeal to manual buyers. On the PH Porsche forum there is a current poll that suggests PH members/buyers are more like 65:35 in favour of Manual:PDK, but I suspect PH forum members are not typical of the average buyer.It's also hard to interpret figures IMO given that V12VS is a model at the end of it's life, about to be replaced, still using relatively analogue/old tech - it stands to reason in those circumstances that demand for manual remains strong. It will be far more telling to see what the split is when new Vantage launches - I'd be surprised at more than 20% being manual, but who knows
Who knows where new Vantage owners will fit into these figures but as Jonby says it would be my opinion that AM's buyers will be even less inclined to buy manuals.
Car mad enthusiast said:
Possibly yes but I just saw it on Insta yesterday.
Understood. The initial press release makes mention of the power outputjonby said:
I don't understand - the AMR version was announced as 600ps at Geneva wasn't it ?
Essentially, the max power output of the V12 in a number of vehicles was c 565/571ps (e.g. V12VS & Vanquish)
This was first increased to 600ps in GT12, then Vanquish Zagato, then Vanquish S and now in AMR Line Rapide. It is essentially the maximum they can get out of the n/a 5.9 V12.
TBH I think its enough. Don't you?? LOL
jonby said:
Understood. The initial press release makes mention of the power output
Essentially, the max power output of the V12 in a number of vehicles was c 565/571ps (e.g. V12VS & Vanquish)
This was first increased to 600ps in GT12, then Vanquish Zagato, then Vanquish S and now in AMR Line Rapide. It is essentially the maximum they can get out of the n/a 5.9 V12.
Essentially, the max power output of the V12 in a number of vehicles was c 565/571ps (e.g. V12VS & Vanquish)
This was first increased to 600ps in GT12, then Vanquish Zagato, then Vanquish S and now in AMR Line Rapide. It is essentially the maximum they can get out of the n/a 5.9 V12.
Car mad enthusiast said:
TBH I think its enough. Don't you?? LOL
Enough is never enough. jonby said:
Understood. The initial press release makes mention of the power output
Essentially, the max power output of the V12 in a number of vehicles was c 565/571ps (e.g. V12VS & Vanquish)
This was first increased to 600ps in GT12, then Vanquish Zagato, then Vanquish S and now in AMR Line Rapide. It is essentially the maximum they can get out of the n/a 5.9 V12.
Essentially, the max power output of the V12 in a number of vehicles was c 565/571ps (e.g. V12VS & Vanquish)
This was first increased to 600ps in GT12, then Vanquish Zagato, then Vanquish S and now in AMR Line Rapide. It is essentially the maximum they can get out of the n/a 5.9 V12.
northernmedia said:
Car mad enthusiast said:
TBH I think its enough. Don't you?? LOL
Enough is never enough. jonby said:
Understood. The initial press release makes mention of the power output
Essentially, the max power output of the V12 in a number of vehicles was c 565/571ps (e.g. V12VS & Vanquish)
This was first increased to 600ps in GT12, then Vanquish Zagato, then Vanquish S and now in AMR Line Rapide. It is essentially the maximum they can get out of the n/a 5.9 V12.
Essentially, the max power output of the V12 in a number of vehicles was c 565/571ps (e.g. V12VS & Vanquish)
This was first increased to 600ps in GT12, then Vanquish Zagato, then Vanquish S and now in AMR Line Rapide. It is essentially the maximum they can get out of the n/a 5.9 V12.
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