Nitron R1 Coilovers

[EBruce]

With my new wheels the standard wheel gap appears much larger, especially with the aggressive offsets:



I tired lowering springs, but now I am to low (especially in the front):



I feel the only option is coilovers and from what I can see, Nitron makes a great kit.

Does anyone have Nitron coilovers? Interested if you feel the are noisey/rough...I am coming from sportpack setup. Thanks in advance.

[EBruce]

Interesting no Brits have upgraded their suspension with a British kit. It appears good quality and I am ordering a set with higher spring rates.

I will post my thoughts once installed.

[phil bird]

EBruce said:

Interesting no Brits have upgraded their suspension with a British kit. It appears good quality and I am ordering a set with higher spring rates.

I will post my thoughts once installed.

Hi my V12 Vantage was the the first to have them in uk. I had the Nitron kit when I changed my wheels to HRE

[phil bird]

[james-witton]

I'm really sorry if this offends anyone. That is the last thing I would want to do.

But for me the Vantage is one of the most gorgeous looking cars ever made.

Why try to tinker around with that?

It's like those naturally beautiful women that have plastic surgery and end up looking worse.

Said with respect to all AM owners

James

[quench]

james-witton said:

I'm really sorry if this offends anyone. That is the last thing I would want to do.

But for me the Vantage is one of the most gorgeous looking cars ever made.

Why try to tinker around with that?

It's like those naturally beautiful women that have plastic surgery and end up looking worse.

Said with respect to all AM owners

James

Horses for courses.

For example, I also find the fender-tire gap to be excessive in all modern era Astons - it gives the cars a 'jacked up' look that I think detracts from their beauty. Furthermore, I think the wheels are too 'tucked in' and that subtle (note, subtle) use of spacers, or better, aftermarket wheels with appropriately altered offset, definitely improves the look.

However, I dislike a 'slammed' look on any car's suspension, and I think the gap on modern Astons only needs to be reduced by about a cm or two, no more. Additionally, I am not a fan of plus-sizing on Aston wheels. I think that the OEM wheels are more than big enough and that bigger ones look crass.

[Murph7355]

Suspension design is a massively complex topic with firms spending thousands of hours and huge budgets on it. And it always ends up a compromise.

It really depends what you want from the car. And most people find that very difficult to express.

The V8V isn't without its foibles on some types of road, but generally it works quite well.

You'd have to know clearly what you were trying to fix, what you were prepared to forfeit for it and that the firm you are approaching had tested things thoroughly to your requirements before committing IMO.

Personally I wouldn't alter suspension just for aesthetic reasons. That's not what it's for. I simply wouldn't buy a car if I thought it looked carp. Fortunately the V8V doesn't. And there's no way I'd be prepared to compromise anything for a 10mm lesser gap between wheel and arch.

I'd also avoid bigger wheels personally. The foibles that the V8V does have are highly unlikely to be helped by bigger, heavier wheels

[phil bird]

james-witton said:

I'm really sorry if this offends anyone. That is the last thing I would want to do.

But for me the Vantage is one of the most gorgeous looking cars ever made.

Why try to tinker around with that?

It's like those naturally beautiful women that have plastic surgery and end up looking worse.

Said with respect to all AM owners

James

True the Vantage is one of the most gorgeous looking cars ever made, but it's still like any other car in respect to compromises are made in its manufacture due to cost saving. I feel the changes I've made to my vantage address some, improve on its look and handling. The HRE wheels although 20" are just under 1kilo lighter on each corner, the nitron shocks are considerably lighter to, Reduced unsprung weight to each corner with the car being lowered has made a big improvement! The car now has better traction, better turn in, nearly zero body roll. The car feels like it's been on a diet just feels great to drive more dynamic and fun

[EBruce]

Thanks for the responses. To me the wheel gap is a touch to much and the wheels have always looked sunken in to me. It took me 8 years of searching to find a wheel that I felt improved the look (HRE P101) compared to the sport pack wheels I had, while being lighter and improving the offset. That said I have kept the sport pack wheels as well.

Phil-interested in your thoughts on spring rate you ordered and what setting (clicks) you set the rebound. Also did road noise/harshness increase a lot? You read horror stories of coilovers that make a bunch of noise. Thanks.

Edited by EBruce on Sunday 4th June 15:50

[phil bird]

EBruce said:

Thanks for the response Phil. I am with you, the wheel gap is a touch to much and the wheels have always looked sunken in to me. It took me 8 years of searching to find a wheel that I felt improved the look (HRE P101) compared to the sport pack wheels I had, while being lighter and improving the offset. That said I have kept the sport pack wheels as well.

Phil-interested in your thoughts on spring rate you ordered and what setting (clicks) you set the rebound. Also did road noise/harshness increase a lot? You read horror stories of coilovers that make a bunch of noise. Thanks.

My story is much like yours.. I wanted a more mechanical aggressive looking wheel than the stock v12, I wanted quality and was happy to pay for it so looking at the high end manufacturers I decided HRE was the way to go.. superior quality, finish and lightness being a forged wheel. So wheels on with new lower profile tyres all great apart from the ride height and large tyre/arch gap! so I looked into lowering springs. Unfortunately at the time lowering springs were only available for the V8 vantage not V12! So like you coil overs was the way to go. Nitron being a British company, years of experience with great reviews I picked up the phone, only to find out that they'd not developed the kit for the V12 but it was something they had considered Its a time consuming process from the conversation I had with them, also they needed a car to develop, test the suspension kit on. Long story short, they had my car three weeks. Surpassed my expectations, very professional company to work with keeping me up to date with the process. First drive I was shocked how better the car felt, re my last post.
Noise/ harshness is not a problem to be honest the only difference I noticed was a mechanical noise on very bad bumpy roads when the shock is on rebound, This is because the shocks have metal bushings rather than rubber/plastic ones, but it's not an issue as only apparent at low speeds over bad roads. Re the setting up of the coil overs mine was done by nitron and I know they road tested the car a few times with adjustments being made. My advice, speak to them, sure they will put you in touch with a local company competent to fit set them up correctly and sure you will be very happy with them!

[EBruce]

phil bird said:

My story is much like yours.. I wanted a more mechanical aggressive looking wheel than the stock v12, I wanted quality and was happy to pay for it so looking at the high end manufacturers I decided HRE was the way to go.. superior quality, finish and lightness being a forged wheel. So wheels on with new lower profile tyres all great apart from the ride height and large tyre/arch gap! so I looked into lowering springs. Unfortunately at the time lowering springs were only available for the V8 vantage not V12! So like you coil overs was the way to go. Nitron being a British company, years of experience with great reviews I picked up the phone, only to find out that they'd not developed the kit for the V12 but it was something they had considered Its a time consuming process from the conversation I had with them, also they needed a car to develop, test the suspension kit on. Long story short, they had my car three weeks. Surpassed my expectations, very professional company to work with keeping me up to date with the process. First drive I was shocked how better the car felt, re my last post.
Noise/ harshness is not a problem to be honest the only difference I noticed was a mechanical noise on very bad bumpy roads when the shock is on rebound, This is because the shocks have metal bushings rather than rubber/plastic ones, but it's not an issue as only apparent at low speeds over bad roads. Re the setting up of the coil overs mine was done by nitron and I know they road tested the car a few times with adjustments being made. My advice, speak to them, sure they will put you in touch with a local company competent to fit set them up correctly and sure you will be very happy with them!

Thanks Phil. My order goes in on Monday for the V8 setup. I am going with a higher spring rate than they typically do. Reassuring to hear that the road noise is not that bad. Not sure I would hear it over my car anyways 😜

[Mansfield]

The GMR Car (road car) is equipped with Nitron coilovers. They also had the Schirmer Race Team help set it up.

I'm sure Nitron can guide you in the right direction for set up depending on what spring rates you've gone for.

Keep us up to date on how you get on.

[8Tech]

Bilstein also have a coil-over set-up for these cars and using standard diameter coil-over springs, have a vast selection of spring rates obtainable from almost all pro coil-over spring suppliers.......Eibach, Faulkners, Bilstein, Tein etc etc. at prices around £25.00 per spring. (Eibach).

[EBruce]

Mansfield said:

The GMR Car (road car) is equipped with Nitron coilovers. They also had the Schirmer Race Team help set it up.

I'm sure Nitron can guide you in the right direction for set up depending on what spring rates you've gone for.

Keep us up to date on how you get on.

Thanks-I reached out to Nitron and did not get much help. They recommended a spring rate softer than sport pack (between sport pack and non sport pack). I increased another 15-20%. I may need tbe reach out to Schirmer, do you have contact info?

[EBruce]

8Tech said:

Bilstein also have a coil-over set-up for these cars and using standard diameter coil-over springs, have a vast selection of spring rates obtainable from almost all pro coil-over spring suppliers.......Eibach, Faulkners, Bilstein, Tein etc etc. at prices around £25.00 per spring. (Eibach).

Thanks, I know TRG uses them here in the states on the GT4 and I have heard AMR uses them as well but they are very pricey!

[Jon39]

quench said:

. . . and I think the gap on modern Astons only needs to be reduced by about a cm or two, no more.

If it only needs to be 1 cm lower, let's try some lateral thinking to find the easiest and most economical solution.

Would burgers each morning for breakfast work? -

Edited by Jon39 on Tuesday 6th June 09:20

[Mansfield]

Speak again with Nitron (ask for Alex)
They should help

EBruce said:

Thanks-I reached out to Nitron and did not get much help. They recommended a spring rate softer than sport pack (between sport pack and non sport pack). I increased another 15-20%. I may need tbe reach out to Schirmer, do you have contact info?

[EBruce]

Mansfield said:

Thanks, I will give him a ring tomorrow

[danieldenham]

I've just had Bilstein's B16 (with iRC control) fitted my Bamford Rose to by My08 DB9 Volante and it's been a revelation:
Bilstein B16 iRC

The system if fully ride-hight adjustable to the mm.

However it's the ride quality that is so changed. The level of grip and control is like having a new car! You really can feel the car reacting underneath you as the road changes or you turn in faster than planned! The car dynamically reacts and adjusts the damping instantly stopping any wallowing or uncertainty.

I have a choice of 3 modes from the cabin button (in the ash-tray):
"Comfort +" Damping in always soft. This is really comfortable for motorways! Infinity better than the clunky harshness of the OEM dampers.
"Auto" This is what I leave the car in most of the time and has three sub modes (comfort, normal, sport), selectable from the iPhone app based of g-force thresholds triggering the shocks, individually, into different damping states dynamically.
"Sport +" basically for trackday use, as even on a good UK road this is very firm and frankly not much fun. Having had Nirtons on an old Elise, I'm guessing that this is how your car with Nitrons will feel all the time; grippy but brutal!!

The iPhone app allows full control of the damper thresholds as well as other dynamic settings (see images on iTunes).
Bilstein iRC on iTunes

Honestly, I have been amazed!

Dan


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[divetheworld]

danieldenham said:

I've just had Bilstein's B16 (with iRC control) fitted my Bamford Rose to by My08 DB9 Volante and it's been a revelation:
Bilstein B16 iRC

The system if fully ride-hight adjustable to the mm.

However it's the ride quality that is so changed. The level of grip and control is like having a new car! You really can feel the car reacting underneath you as the road changes or you turn in faster than planned! The car dynamically reacts and adjusts the damping instantly stopping any wallowing or uncertainty.

I have a choice of 3 modes from the cabin button (in the ash-tray):
"Comfort +" Damping in always soft. This is really comfortable for motorways! Infinity better than the clunky harshness of the OEM dampers.
"Auto" This is what I leave the car in most of the time and has three sub modes (comfort, normal, sport), selectable from the iPhone app based of g-force thresholds triggering the shocks, individually, into different damping states dynamically.
"Sport +" basically for trackday use, as even on a good UK road this is very firm and frankly not much fun. Having had Nirtons on an old Elise, I'm guessing that this is how your car with Nitrons will feel all the time; grippy but brutal!!

The iPhone app allows full control of the damper thresholds as well as other dynamic settings (see images on iTunes).
Bilstein iRC on iTunes

Honestly, I have been amazed!

Dan


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I'd love this on mine but wouldn't want to compromise the warranty.
I'd be more than happy if the warranty simply excluded those parts but remained unaffected for all other parts.
I can only imagine the pissing contest on claims without some position stated in writing before fitting.